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Double or Pass.

#1 User is offline   rona_ 

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Posted 2007-June-29, 14:11

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P-P-P-1
1-X-P-P-1NT-P-P-P


I can't find the deal because the team match was aborted and I don't log all the hands I play. I don't remember all the spots but I do remember that they were rather pathetic. No agreements. Pick-up expert partner. I doubled because I had points and tolerance for the other 3 suits. My partner asked what the double was, and said I should have bid diamonds! When I responded that I did not have 5 she insisted that I was wrong. I would rather pass than bid 2. At the other table, West made 2NT xed. Should I have passed? What should have been my thought process after one spade.

Thank you in advance.

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Posted 2007-June-29, 14:22

Double shows 4+ hearts.

You should bid 1D or pass, either is fine. I would probably pass with a pickup partner, and bid 1D with a regular partner.

Opposite the double, I would have bid 2H rather than 1NT, though I tend to avoid raising on 3, AK4 is good support. 1NT is OK, though.

This hand had no nice bids for either one of you.

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Posted 2007-June-29, 14:24

I is insufficient. The opponent interfered with 1 :)
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Posted 2007-June-29, 14:46

Nobody uses 2 here to show this hand? Huh. I'm darned close to a max pass, and if partner didn't want me to force to 2NT with a 10 count, he shouldn't have opened.

Now I'll be told I'm crazy again.
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Posted 2007-June-29, 15:14

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Nobody uses 2♠ here to show this hand?


2S is a club raise for me.

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I D is insufficient. The opponent interfered with 1♠


LOL.

So it is.

Pass then.

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Posted 2007-June-29, 15:16

I have to admit I'd bid 1N over 1S :)
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Posted 2007-June-29, 15:26

pbleighton, on Jun 29 2007, 04:14 PM, said:

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Nobody uses 2♠ here to show this hand?


2S is a club raise for me.

Oh well...then I would bid 1NT, stopper or no. I can't pass a 10 count.
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Posted 2007-June-30, 00:06

jtfanclub, on Jun 29 2007, 04:26 PM, said:

pbleighton, on Jun 29 2007, 04:14 PM, said:

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Nobody uses 2♠ here to show this hand?


2S is a club raise for me.

Oh well...then I would bid 1NT, stopper or no. I can't pass a 10 count.

Why not? If partner reopens with a double (or anything else) you are that much gladder you haven't misdescribed your hand. If partner passes it out then he has either a piece of garbage or spade length, and in either case I see no problem with defending 1.

If I had to not pass and hated 2 that much, then 2 is a much more accurate description of my strength than 2. But that is neither here nor there as I have no problem passing when no bid is right.
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Posted 2007-June-30, 01:56

Hi,

a matter of partnership agreement.
Some play that the neg. X can also
include a bal. 10-12 count.

The add. strength is compensation
enough for the missing heart.

So, at least for me, double is ok,
and I would not bid a forcing 2D,
because this bid will give me more
problem later on than I can handle.

And I would also not bid 1NT, this
promises a stopper, sometimes
partner raises to 3NT.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2007-June-30, 02:03

jdonn, on Jun 30 2007, 12:06 AM, said:

jtfanclub, on Jun 29 2007, 04:26 PM, said:

Oh well...then I would bid 1NT, stopper or no.  I can't pass a 10 count.

Why not? If partner reopens with a double (or anything else) you are that much gladder you haven't misdescribed your hand.

I don't mind pass but I am not that much gladder if partner doubles - I still have no bid to describe this hand.
My guess is all of pass, double, 1N and 2 would find support in a MSC poll.
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Posted 2007-June-30, 08:42

I would probably bid 2. Pass and Dbl are fine as well except maybe that dbl requires the agreement that p must check if you really have four hearts before bidding 4. I don't care for 1NT and 2 but I'm sure some good players would prefer one of those, especially if p is known to open 1 with 4-4 m.

P's pass on your double is ridicolous of course. "Experts" who bid like that and then even give lessons to p on the basis of the same deal go immediately to my enemies list.
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