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#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2007-June-26, 13:04

Scoring: IMP

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Playing SA, no special agreements to handle this type of hand.
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Posted 2007-June-26, 13:14

Open it (1♣ or if playing stong club, 2♣), all seats all vul.....
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Posted 2007-June-26, 13:44

"It's a bidder's game." I would prefer to have

xxx
KQxx or AJxx
void
AJ10xxx

which would satisfy the rule of 22 as well, but nothing is perfect. Since I have a rebid on all possible partner's bids, and a club lead is what i'd like from partner when defending, looks ok to open it.

I don't feel too strong about it though, and I wouldn't mind if you pass that hand as my partner.
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Posted 2007-June-26, 13:45

jillybean2, on Jun 26 2007, 02:04 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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Playing SA, no special agreements to handle this type of hand.

I think winning bridge players can open it one club or with a pass if partner expects you to be very sound.
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Posted 2007-June-26, 14:16

1♣. Its close, and 20 years ago many would pass this hand type.
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Posted 2007-June-26, 14:20

I pass. Clubs is the wrong suit in which to open light: a clear opener if the 6 card suit was a major, but light 1♣ bids take away no bidding space... in fact, they make the opps's entry into the auction easier than does a pass, and I can and probably will bid later. I don't like J's, and the rule of 20 is not something that I ever expect to pay any attention to.
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Posted 2007-June-26, 14:38

Well, since it's no longer unanimous, I open 1 club.

I can show this hand well as an opener, and I have no methods to show a 4 card major/6 card minor with an overcall. If it went three passes and then 1 diamond or 1 spade, I don't like any of my possible bids.

I also don't like my choices if my partner opens 1 spade third hand.

I think passing now just puts off the pain. There's too few losers in this hand to pass throughout the auction.
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Posted 2007-June-26, 15:57

The hand is a good advertisement for a WEAK 2♣ :)
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Posted 2007-June-26, 16:21

I would open it because it has 3-4 in the majors but its very very close. Wouldn't fault a pass at all.
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Posted 2007-June-26, 17:03

1♣ for me.
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Posted 2007-June-26, 21:09

Scoring: IMP

1♣ (p) 1♥ (X)
2♥ (p) 4♥ AP


Here is the full hand. I opened and it worked out fine but I'm not sure if we gained anything.
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Posted 2007-June-26, 21:50

As usual you could pass and still get to game with partner opening in third seat.
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Posted 2007-June-27, 00:02

mike777, on Jun 26 2007, 10:50 PM, said:

As usual you could pass and still get to game with partner opening in third seat.

Hmmmm...

P P 1♦ 1♠ ....

I presume it now goes ...

X P 2♥ P ....

Now what? ?

Both hands have three spade losers...tough to look at that and see 10 tricks. Of course, I could make alternative hands where the bidding would have been the same as Jilly's but have gone down, but I'm not so sure that if Jilly doesn't open that game is still reached.
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Posted 2007-June-27, 04:03

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As usual you could pass and still get to game with partner opening in third seat.


And if that was all that is to bidding, people would still be passing bad 13 counts...

Playing standard, it's a very marginal opener.

Playing some sort of EHAA/F-N system or a strong club system, it's a 2C opener.

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Posted 2007-June-27, 04:24

After passing I would bid 2♣ and probably north leaves me there :S.
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Posted 2007-June-27, 04:46

This hand has good playing prospects in clubs as well as both majors. I would open it but I think it is close.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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