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Hi,
Do you take another shot at this by cueing the ♣K and please explain why/why not?.
tyia
jb
Do you cue a stiff K ? 15-17nt
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Posted 2007-June-06, 16:57
Hi,
Do you take another shot at this by cueing the ♣K and please explain why/why not?.
tyia
jb
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
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Posted 2007-June-06, 17:01
I would change partner, this one doesn't respect my cuebid. Since it's such a noob, I'd just pass since he probably won't even be able to count his trumps to 13...
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Posted 2007-June-06, 17:01
jillybean2, on Jun 6 2007, 05:57 PM, said:
Scoring: IMP
(P) 1N (P) 2♦
3♥:3♠
4♥:?
(P) 1N (P) 2♦
3♥:3♠
4♥:?
Hi,
Do you take another shot at this by cueing the ♣K and please explain why/why not?.
tyia
jb
Pass
I give up.
1nt=2d
3h=3s
4h=?
1) partner super accepted with 3H, yes?
2) But partner cannot cuebid an Ace over 3s?
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Posted 2007-June-06, 20:20
If Aces-first cuebidding is used, with no serious 3NT, Opener must have something like ♠KJx ♥KQxx ♦KQJx ♣ Qx. So, I'd pass.
If Italian Cuebidding, even without Serious 3NT, partner is an idiot. So, we must not be playing that.
If Italian Cuebidding, even without Serious 3NT, partner is an idiot. So, we must not be playing that.
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Posted 2007-June-07, 00:46
Free, on Jun 6 2007, 06:01 PM, said:
I would change partner, this one doesn't respect my cuebid. Since it's such a noob, I'd just pass since he probably won't even be able to count his trumps to 13...
Hahaha, agree
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Posted 2007-June-07, 02:19
If partner is serious he doesn't wanna cue a king on our singleton, we are off 2 aces, at MP I would be tempted to bid 4♠ and hope to play in 4NT, now all I can do is pass.
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Posted 2007-June-07, 04:09
If we aren't off two aces partner has mis-sorted his hand.
Pass
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Posted 2007-June-07, 04:44
#1 what did 3H promise / show?
One option would be 4 card support, a min. opener
and a doubleton.
#2 Does your partnership play serious 3NT in the given
situation?
If not, partner may believe that a cue shows willingness
to cooperate.
#3 If you want to go on, just bid 4NT, your side has 29HCP
and you will have a diamond control. If you bid 5C, which
answer makes will make you happy? 5D / 5H?
Should you bid on? That depends on the degree of partnership
agreements which are in place. If you play with a pick up partner
he may have simply bid 4H to avoid any misunderstandings,
i.e. slam is still possible. If you play with a regular partner, pass
and afterwarts you should discuss the seq. with him, partners 4H
bid should deny both Aces and the King of Diamond. Only possible
if partner did upgrade a strong 14HCP hand (and those hand should
contain Kings and Aces).
With kind regards
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One option would be 4 card support, a min. opener
and a doubleton.
#2 Does your partnership play serious 3NT in the given
situation?
If not, partner may believe that a cue shows willingness
to cooperate.
#3 If you want to go on, just bid 4NT, your side has 29HCP
and you will have a diamond control. If you bid 5C, which
answer makes will make you happy? 5D / 5H?
Should you bid on? That depends on the degree of partnership
agreements which are in place. If you play with a pick up partner
he may have simply bid 4H to avoid any misunderstandings,
i.e. slam is still possible. If you play with a regular partner, pass
and afterwarts you should discuss the seq. with him, partners 4H
bid should deny both Aces and the King of Diamond. Only possible
if partner did upgrade a strong 14HCP hand (and those hand should
contain Kings and Aces).
With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2007-June-07, 07:21
Partner should not have either minor suit ace for this 4♥ bid.
If I trust partner to have this bid then I pass. Else I bid RKC (if I can't trust him to respond accurately to cuebids, what's the point of cuebidding again?)
If I trust partner to have this bid then I pass. Else I bid RKC (if I can't trust him to respond accurately to cuebids, what's the point of cuebidding again?)
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Posted 2007-June-07, 07:42
In general, I will cue-bid a singleton or a king... so I will cuebid a singleton king. On this hand, I of course, pass as they have two cashable ACES.
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Posted 2007-June-07, 07:55
Pass, and then as dummy walk away to the bathroom...en route glance at his hand and wonder what did he/she open on in the first place.....
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Posted 2007-June-07, 08:27
He (pickup expert) did have a few cards...
West North East South
- - Pass 1NT
Pass 2♦ Pass 3♥
Pass 3♠ Pass 4♥
Pass 5♣ Pass 5♦
Dbl 5♥ Pass 6♥
Pass Pass Pass
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Scoring: IMP
West North East South
- - Pass 1NT
Pass 2♦ Pass 3♥
Pass 3♠ Pass 4♥
Pass 5♣ Pass 5♦
Dbl 5♥ Pass 6♥
Pass Pass Pass
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Posted 2007-June-07, 08:38
If you don´t run into a first round ruff, 6 is icecold without any finesse.
I guess they played a spade through and you decided to finesse?
The bidding was fine till 3 Spade, the rest was silly.
I guess they played a spade through and you decided to finesse?
The bidding was fine till 3 Spade, the rest was silly.
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Posted 2007-June-07, 08:44
One possible correct auction for this hand would be:
1NT-2♦
3♥-3♠
4♣-5♣
6♥-pass
1NT-2♦
3♥-3♠
4♣-5♣
6♥-pass
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Posted 2007-June-07, 08:44
Silly maybe, we had no agreements and I thought my hand was worth another bid.
ST S2 SK S3
DJ DK DA D2
DQ D9 D3 D6
D7
ST S2 SK S3
DJ DK DA D2
DQ D9 D3 D6
D7
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Posted 2007-June-07, 08:51
jillybean2, on Jun 7 2007, 10:44 AM, said:
Silly maybe, we had no agreements and I thought my hand was worth another bid.
ST S2 SK S3
DJ DK DA D2
DQ D9 D3 D6
D7
ST S2 SK S3
DJ DK DA D2
DQ D9 D3 D6
D7
You can see that the best line is to win the ♠A, draw trumps, cash the ♣K and ♣AQ pitching two diamonds. You will lose a spade for sure, but you won't lose any other tricks. This gives up on making seven, but it guarantees the contract.
This is also IMO the right play at MPs.
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Posted 2007-June-07, 09:16
playing a low ♠ at trick 1 is suicidal. You have the top trumps and top ♣s, so after drawing trumps you can discard your ♦ losers in dummy and lose ♠K whoever has it.
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Posted 2007-June-07, 09:57
jillybean2, on Jun 7 2007, 09:27 AM, said:
He (pickup expert) did have a few cards...
West North East South
- - Pass 1NT
Pass 2♦ Pass 3♥
Pass 3♠ Pass 4♥
Pass 5♣ Pass 5♦
Dbl 5♥ Pass 6♥
Pass Pass Pass
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West North East South
- - Pass 1NT
Pass 2♦ Pass 3♥
Pass 3♠ Pass 4♥
Pass 5♣ Pass 5♦
Dbl 5♥ Pass 6♥
Pass Pass Pass
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Jilly, your pickup expert partner, wasn;t....
The bidding was horrible, and the play had to be even worse, as 6♥ is on ice, every intermediate should be able to count to 12....
6H
4C
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10 already.....
Two spades, and walla... comes to 12. How tuff can that be?
I guess we need a derogatory term for such experts, but I hate using BBO Expert as the term, but there you go.
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I like a direct 6♥ over a superaccept. There's no guarantee that they'll find the♦ lead even if we are off 2 cashers, unless we tell them about the weakness. I also think 7 is a real longshot.
In my judgment, 6 will make 90% of the time, so why don't we just bid it?
As a side note, why are transferring with a 6-4 hand?
In my judgment, 6 will make 90% of the time, so why don't we just bid it?
As a side note, why are transferring with a 6-4 hand?
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Posted 2007-June-07, 11:32
Phil,
Maybe due to the pickup nature of things, Beaner didn't want to muddy the waters....?
Maybe due to the pickup nature of things, Beaner didn't want to muddy the waters....?
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(P) 1N (P) 2♦
3♥:3♠
4♥:?