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Posted 2007-June-08, 07:02

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Blackwater, barely a decade old, has migrated from Iraq to set up operations in the United States and nine other countries. It trains Afghan security forces and has established a base a few miles from the Iranian border. The huge contracts from the war - including $750 million from the State Department since 2004 - have allowed Blackwater to amass a fleet of more than 20 aircraft, including helicopter gunships. Jeremy Scahill, the author of Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army, points out that Blackwater has also constructed "the world's largest private military facility - a 7,000-acre compound near the Great Dismal Swamp of North Carolina." Blackwater also recently opened a facility in Illinois ("Blackwater North") and, despite local opposition, is moving ahead with plans to build another huge training base near San Diego. The company recently announced it was creating a private intelligence branch called "Total Intelligence."


Erik Prince, who founded and runs Blackwater, is a man who appears to have little time for the niceties of democracy. He has close ties with the radical Christian Right and the Bush White House. But what he and his allies have built is a mercenary army, paid for with government money, which operates outside the law and without constitutional constraint.

Mercenary units are a vital instrument in the hands of despotic movements. Communist and fascist movements during the last century each built rogue paramilitary forces. And the appearance of Blackwater fighters, heavily armed and wearing their trademark black uniforms, patrolling the streets of New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, may be a grim taste of the future. In New Orleans Blackwater charged the government $240,000 a day.



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Posted 2007-June-08, 11:42

Winstonm, on Jun 8 2007, 08:02 AM, said:

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for the New York Times

Blackwater, barely a decade old, has migrated from Iraq to set up operations in the United States and nine other countries. It trains Afghan security forces and has established a base a few miles from the Iranian border. The huge contracts from the war - including $750 million from the State Department since 2004 - have allowed Blackwater to amass a fleet of more than 20 aircraft, including helicopter gunships. Jeremy Scahill, the author of Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army, points out that Blackwater has also constructed "the world's largest private military facility - a 7,000-acre compound near the Great Dismal Swamp of North Carolina." Blackwater also recently opened a facility in Illinois ("Blackwater North") and, despite local opposition, is moving ahead with plans to build another huge training base near San Diego. The company recently announced it was creating a private intelligence branch called "Total Intelligence."


Erik Prince, who founded and runs Blackwater, is a man who appears to have little time for the niceties of democracy. He has close ties with the radical Christian Right and the Bush White House. But what he and his allies have built is a mercenary army, paid for with government money, which operates outside the law and without constitutional constraint.

Mercenary units are a vital instrument in the hands of despotic movements. Communist and fascist movements during the last century each built rogue paramilitary forces. And the appearance of Blackwater fighters, heavily armed and wearing their trademark black uniforms, patrolling the streets of New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, may be a grim taste of the future. In New Orleans Blackwater charged the government $240,000 a day.



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Posted 2007-June-08, 11:44

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

September 13, 2005


BLACKWATER USA CONTINUES TO SUPPORT KATRINA DEVASTED AREAS
Aid Focuses on Humanitarian, Security and Clean Up Needs

Since first joining the relief efforts on September 1, Blackwater USA continues to provide support to the hurricane devastated area through a variety of services including search and rescue, helicopter support, security services, and critical infrastructure protection.

“Blackwater is proud to serve the people of New Orleans,” said Bill Mathews, Executive Vice President of Blackwater. “First and foremost, this is about Americans helping Americans in a time of desperation. We will continue to support local, state, and federal offices and commercial entities with talented professionals to augment their relief and recovery efforts.”

To date, Blackwater continues to provide, on a pro bono basis, a helicopter to support U.S. Coast Guard rescue missions. As of Sept. 12, Blackwater aircrews have moved over eleven tons of supplies and rescued 121 people. Blackwater is also providing security services to federal agencies working in the declared disaster area.

Blackwater is working to secure critical communications infrastructure and is also assisting in securing necessary petrochemical facilities in the immediate aftermath of the storm. In addition, Blackwater employees are currently supporting numerous insurance companies in conducting accurate assessments for what will no doubt be the largest disaster claim in U. S. history.

As a private company, Blackwater USA is capable of responding quickly and cost effectively in order to have an immediate impact on crisis situations and mitigate, to the extent possible, the risk associated with loss of life and property, and support local, state, and federal agencies who are tasked with response efforts.
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Posted 2007-June-08, 11:53

different spin from different sources... i've noticed that some have such a hatred for this administration that their default belief position is any negative or conspiratorial spin... others the opposite
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Posted 2007-June-08, 12:01

"In New Orleans Blackwater charged the government $240,000 a day. "

I guess what irritated me the most was this statement. So what? Is it really that much? Assume a payscale of $600/day per person (an article on Blackwaters Website says that the average private security contractor of this nature is paid $600-$700/day). Thats only 400 people per day assuming all of it went to personnel costs, which we both know that it didn't.

So is that really a high number? I don't think so depending on how many resources they actually used.

Blackwater also does not provide "mercenaries" as such (or so they say). They provide "security" services.

"Blackwater objects to the use of the m-word for its employees, preferring the term "private military contractors." For one thing, "mercenary" is not accurate. Private military contractors in Iraq do not execute offensive operations--they only provide security, and their rules of engagement are to use proportionate force only when attacked."

Now, of course, this is also spin from their side, we can agree on that.

The biggest concern (for me) with Blackwater that the article fails to mention is that they appear to be the company that are providing the clandestine operations for transporting and holding prisoners for interrogations outside of the normal "guidelines", if I understand the news here in North Carolina correctly.

So I don't like them, and am not defending them as such, but really, what was the point of posting that article?
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Posted 2007-June-08, 18:37

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Blackwater continues to provide, on a pro bono basis, a helicopter to support U.S. Coast Guard rescue missions.


One helicopter on a pro bono basis.
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Posted 2007-June-08, 18:46

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The huge contracts from the war - including $750 million from the State Department since 2004 - have allowed Blackwater to amass a fleet of more than 20 aircraft, including helicopter gunships. The company recently announced it was creating a private intelligence branch called "Total Intelligence".


The reason for the post is to advance the knowledge that this group exists and is sponsored by the U.S. government. But I guess it's just another day in the empire when our governments funds a private army that has no oversight or regulatory restrictions. Do you really want them in private intelligence, as well?
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Posted 2007-June-11, 08:03

600$/day, is that serious?

That's 10 times what I am getting paid :P. I think proffesional players of most sports earn less.
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Posted 2007-June-11, 09:22

Fluffy, on Jun 11 2007, 09:03 AM, said:

600$/day, is that serious?

That's 10 times what I am getting paid B). I think proffesional players of most sports earn less.

Yes it is serious, and no, professional sports players do not earn less (on average), at least not in the US.


US Pro Baseball players, average salary 2006 = $2,699,292 or $7,395/day

US Pro Basketball players, average salary is approximately $5,000,000 or $13,698/day

US Pro Football players, average NFL salary 2006 = $1,400,000 or $3,856/day.

Average salary NHL player, 2005-2006 = 1,460,000, or $4,000/day.

Granted, these are average salaries and that average is inflated by the big number contracts of the "superstars" of their respective sports. But even the no-names tend to earn substantially more than $600/day or $220,000/year.
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Posted 2007-June-11, 10:47

Fluffy, on Jun 11 2007, 09:03 AM, said:

600$/day, is that serious?

That's 10 times what I am getting paid B). I think proffesional players of most sports earn less.

How many of your coworkers have died after a few weeks on the job?

For hazardous duty like this, most places want to rotate you out after six months, and I doubt the government pays you while you're on standby. So they're making what, $100K a year? I don't have a problem with that.

That the U.S. feels the need to hire these guys, yeah, I have a problem with that for a couple of reasons. But that's the government's fault. I don't begrudge them their pay at all.
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Posted 2007-June-11, 11:00

jtfanclub, on Jun 11 2007, 07:47 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Jun 11 2007, 09:03 AM, said:

600$/day, is that serious?

That's 10 times what I am getting paid B). I think proffesional players of most sports earn less.

How many of your coworkers have died after a few weeks on the job?

For hazardous duty like this, most places want to rotate you out after six months, and I doubt the government pays you while you're on standby. So they're making what, $100K a year? I don't have a problem with that.

That the U.S. feels the need to hire these guys, yeah, I have a problem with that for a couple of reasons. But that's the government's fault. I don't begrudge them their pay at all.

I'd be interesting to know what fraction of the hazard pay gets captured by the individuals who actually face the risk.

Personally, I am vehemently opposed to outsourcing these jobs to mercenaries. I am (primarily) worried about issues related to accountability and the international law. I have secondary concerns related to looting the public treasury.
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Posted 2007-June-11, 17:03

I do not care about the per day pay but about the $750 million from the state department that allows the expansion of Blackwater and the purchase of military hardware.

Makes me wonder how integrated is the private sector and the U.S. government.
Along with Richard, I am adamantly opposed to Blackwater's use as a police or mercenary force due to the lack of oversight and accountability. Who gave these guys any power?
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Posted 2007-June-12, 04:09

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Posted 2007-June-12, 06:07

I have problems with outsouring government responsibilities to private organizations with political/religious/ideological agendas.

In Denmark the government outsources:
- various parts of the wellfare system (most notably unemployment benefits) to left-winged unions. They clearly abuse the power they get in that way for political ends.
- Third-World aid to left-winged and/or religious charities. This may be unavoidable since you pretty much have to be either left-winged or religious to engage in Third-World aid, but it is not without problems.
- Parts of the civil registration to the Lutheran church. They happen to do an ok job but I can understand that some non-Lutherans are uncomfortable with it. Fortunately it's routine work and does not offer much opportunities for (suspicions of) power abuse.

Outsourcing armed surveiliance to an organization with a political/religious/ideological agenda just gives me the creeps. It sounds even worse that outsourcing unemployment benefits.

I have no problems with outsourcing armed surveiliance to private companies, as long as said organizations have no other agenda than generating profits for their shareholders.
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Posted 2007-June-12, 06:42

When the government outsources it creates plausible deniablility for the government by claiming non-responsibility for private sector actions. Obviously, there are some things the private sector does better than govermnemt; however, fighting wars, policing, and intelligence gathering require direct oversight in order to constrain potential abuse.
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Posted 2007-June-12, 08:08

The history of mercenary use is simply a strategem employed by those in power who extort the money required from the fearful who are too indolent or unable to respond with the required fervor to conquer and subjugate foreigners.

This is usually one of the dying last gasp efforts of morally bankrupt administrations. The writing is on the wall and you don't need a magnifying glass to see it.....
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