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Richard, that's funny because my "solution" was also a mixed strategy where you bid 6m with and without a void. But I can see merit to a strategy where you never bid 6m. You might also try the exploitable strategy of 6m without a void and 6M with a void against opps you didnt play regularly against, but you would also be able to only do this once per partner otherwise you are not using full disclosure yada yada.
BTW there was a great hand in verona where I did actually bid 7D or something with a singleton and they then didnt bid 7S over our 7H save.
Anyways, I suspect many would share kens view that you just take out insurance and show your void here but I really think that it is unlikely that partner wont know what to lead when youre 0-5 in the minors.
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Posted 2007-June-02, 17:20
My dad has brought up another interesting point just now (we are in a hotel lobby lol), might 6m not be better used as showing a side suit so that partner can judge whether to save? As usual you have the problem that the opps can evaluate better now but so can you. For instance if opener was 0715 he may want to bid 6C. As an added bonus if you bid 6C and you have a diamond void you can X 6S and get a diamond lead for sure this way. Of course it seems contradictory to me to suggest a save from partner and then make a lightner X. Maybe one could employ a strategy of 6m natural, always bid 6H with a void then lightner them and hope partner guesses right (as he is a strong favorite to do).
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Posted 2007-June-02, 17:20
Jlall, on Jun 2 2007, 06:09 PM, said:
Anyways, I suspect many would share kens view that you just take out insurance and show your void here but I really think that it is unlikely that partner wont know what to lead when youre 0-5 in the minors.
I have found in practice he often can't tell which to lead, maybe 20 to 25% of the time. This is especially true with the other side bidding so much, they probably have a secondary minor suit fit on the side, so we might be long in the same minor as partner, or at least have equal length.
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At the end of the session I would ask, Partner did any of my bids give you a problem? If so how can we fix it.
This may sound naive but I do have a goal of making bids that do not give partner problems so they can focus on defense, declarer play and giving the opp. problems. The opportunity cost, what I give up, is making some bids that may not be the most accurate or best in theory. I hope the gain is more than the loss.
This may sound naive but I do have a goal of making bids that do not give partner problems so they can focus on defense, declarer play and giving the opp. problems. The opportunity cost, what I give up, is making some bids that may not be the most accurate or best in theory. I hope the gain is more than the loss.
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Posted 2007-June-02, 17:28
Jlall, on Jun 2 2007, 11:20 PM, said:
My dad has brought up another interesting point just now (we are in a hotel lobby lol), might 6m not be better used as showing a side suit so that partner can judge whether to save? As usual you have the problem that the opps can evaluate better now but so can you. For instance if opener was 0715 he may want to bid 6C. As an added bonus if you bid 6C and you have a diamond void you can X 6S and get a diamond lead for sure this way. Of course it seems contradictory to me to suggest a save from partner and then make a lightner X. Maybe one could employ a strategy of 6m natural, always bid 6H with a void then lightner them and hope partner guesses right (as he is a strong favorite to do).
Obviously you should define and utilize the 5NT and 6H bids so you can show any possible void and any possible side suit.
Just kidding.
In my experience the psychic lead direct has worked every single time (when the goal is to buy the contract I mean).
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Posted 2007-June-02, 17:30
jdonn, on Jun 2 2007, 06:20 PM, said:
I have found in practice he often can't tell which to lead, maybe 20 to 25% of the time.
ok so half the time he will get it right when he doesnt know what to do so hes about 87% to make the right lead according to your calculations.
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Posted 2007-June-02, 17:31
fred, on Jun 2 2007, 06:28 PM, said:
Jlall, on Jun 2 2007, 11:20 PM, said:
My dad has brought up another interesting point just now (we are in a hotel lobby lol), might 6m not be better used as showing a side suit so that partner can judge whether to save? As usual you have the problem that the opps can evaluate better now but so can you. For instance if opener was 0715 he may want to bid 6C. As an added bonus if you bid 6C and you have a diamond void you can X 6S and get a diamond lead for sure this way. Of course it seems contradictory to me to suggest a save from partner and then make a lightner X. Maybe one could employ a strategy of 6m natural, always bid 6H with a void then lightner them and hope partner guesses right (as he is a strong favorite to do).
Obviously you should define and utilize the 5NT and 6H bids so you can show any possible void and any possible side suit.
Just kidding.
In my experience the psychic lead direct has worked every single time (when the goal is to buy the contract I mean).
Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
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LOL. Yeah I'm getting a little out there now but I'm just thinking theoretically, this hand and auction is really fascinating to me right now.
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Posted 2007-June-02, 18:10
Jlall, on Jun 2 2007, 06:30 PM, said:
jdonn, on Jun 2 2007, 06:20 PM, said:
I have found in practice he often can't tell which to lead, maybe 20 to 25% of the time.
ok so half the time he will get it right when he doesnt know what to do so hes about 87% to make the right lead according to your calculations.
Oh for sure, I wasn't saying that you shouldn't still double
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