[gwnn]

You hold

Scoring: IMP

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in 3rd seat.

it goes p-3♥-?

What do you bid now?

what's your minimum for various possible bids (X 3NT 4♦ 4NT(?)) with the same distribution? which are the ones you'd never consider?

[Fluffy]

Pass, my minimum for bidding with balanced is 16.

[vang]

pass. obvious with a passed hand partner.

[whereagles]

as above.

[Apollo81]

Pass.

[pclayton]

Pass. Tougher if pard hasn't already passed.

[jdonn]

Pass. I disagree with Phil, it's an easy pass if partner weren't a passed hand too, it will just turn out to have been wrong more often.

[Double !]

PASS

There is no bid that describes this hand at this level, and pass is not a dirty word.

Partner will always be there with an opportunity to re-open.
(What can you make with this hand opposite a flat 10 count? Not too much.)

DHL

[skjaeran]

jdonn, on Jun 1 2007, 05:42 PM, said:

Pass. I disagree with Phil, it's an easy pass if partner weren't a passed hand too, it will just turn out to have been wrong more often.

Agree 100%.

[pclayton]

jdonn, on Jun 1 2007, 07:42 AM, said:

Pass. I disagree with Phil, it's an easy pass if partner weren't a passed hand too, it will just turn out to have been wrong more often.

Its an uncomfortable pass facing an unpassed partner, but I still pass. We could have a laydown 3N with pard holding a vanilla 12 count.

With a passed pard, all that appears to be at risk is the part score.

[helene_t]

skaeran, on Jun 1 2007, 08:02 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jun 1 2007, 05:42 PM, said:

Pass. I disagree with Phil, it's an easy pass if partner weren't a passed hand too, it will just turn out to have been wrong more often.

Agree 100%.

Me too.

[gwnn]

OK so everyone passes.

Could any of you guys answer the subsequent questions?

[jdonn]

gwnn, on Jun 1 2007, 05:57 AM, said:

what's your minimum for various possible bids (X 3NT 4♦ 4NT(?)) with the same distribution? which are the ones you'd never consider?

Minimum for X: With this shape, at least 17 or 18. If partner bids spades I would simply hope he has 5 or 6.
Minimum for 3NT: About 16 with this shape.
Minimum for 4♦: I don't think I would ever make that bid with this shape. It's really a bid I try to avoid, I would need 6+ diamonds and some reason to think either 3NT isn't likely to be where we belong or just can't be bid. Also I would need quite a good hand.
Minimum for 4NT: Never with this shape. Ever.

[helene_t]

For me, 4♦ is a convention but even if I played it as natural I'd rarely if ever bid it with a 5-card. The choice with this shape is between dbl followed by 4♦ over 3♠ (but then the diamonds must be solid), or dbl followed by 3N (which should show a much stronger hand a preferably 3♠, or just 3N. So most of the times I would bid 3N, which would take a queen more than this hand if partner is unpassed and a king more than this hand if he's passed. I'd sometimes have to try 3N without a hearts guard.

With ♠AK of spades instead of ♥A I'd probably dbl and pass 3♠.

[P_Marlowe]

pass, I considered 3NT, ... but I dont think
it will make, and being red, it may get
expencive, ... there is still a guy waiting
to bid the first time

With kind regards
Marlowe

[the hog]

Unanimous? An easy pass. 4D for me shows D+S 5/5, (Would you seriously bid 4D on a 5 card suit anyway?). 3NT would need a much better hand, preferably, but not necessarily, a more robust stopper but definitley a source of tricks. 4NT with this shape and such weak suits is off with the pixies. Maybe xx x AKJxx AQJxx or similar as an absolute minimum.