[gwnn]

Q8x
AJx
AKQTx
xx

LHO deals

1♣-p-p-?

we're NV/V IMP's

[Fluffy]

Looks like double, would do that without a doubt on second position, maybe at 4th 1♦ has a point?

[whereagles]

canonical dbl, wtp?

[gwnn]

Yea I wasn't very clear. If you double, what's your general plan after that?

[Fluffy]

sit back and watch carefully what other players say before my next round .

Probably pass the rest of the bidding.

[ochinko]

Double, then 1NT over a 1♥/♠ from partner.

Vulnerable, I could be even more aggressive, and bid directly 2NT, treating my hand as 19-20. Given that partner has passed there's not much chance that he has a five card major.

[whereagles]

Dbl + 2♦ over a 1M response
Dbl + 3♣ over a 2M response

[Apollo81]

I think that this is not as clear a decision as other people are making it out to be.

In direct seat, I would certainly overcall 1♦. Strong (but short of a power double) 5332 hands short in the opponents' suit should overcall first and double later (assuming their suit is raised or rebid) since the converse isn't possible.

I think I'll wait for a few more responses before posting what I'd do.

[pclayton]

Apollo81, on Jun 1 2007, 06:31 AM, said:

I think that this is not as clear a decision as other people are making it out to be.

In direct seat, I would certainly overcall 1♦.  Strong (but short of a power double) 5332 hands short in the opponents' suit should overcall first and double later (assuming their suit is raised or rebid) since the converse isn't possible. 

I think I'll wait for a few more responses before posting what I'd do.

Noble; thats the whole point. You are supposed to make up your mind before hearing from others

I share your ambivalence here. I will be the 1st to wade into the 1♦ territory. Here's why:

Double will not get me any useful information, although its a reasonable call. Pard will frequently bid 1 major on up to a 9 count, and what have you found out? Pard probably has a 4 card suit, since he didn't make a 1 level overcall. Pard is partially protecting you for a balance by not jumping to the 2 level.

If pard can muster up a 1 of a major bid over 1♦, I will have reason to get excited. If its a chunky 4 bagger, this is a great dummy for a 4-3 fit. If pard can find a 1N call, this hand also looks good, although I'm not in any better shape if I had doubled initially.

The only hand I fear by overcalling 1♦ is that pard has some kind of max perfecto pass that gives up a playable 4 major: KJTx, Kxxx, xx, xxx.

I can also stomach a 2♦ balance too, but its a little offbeat with a 3352.

[FrancesHinden]

ochinko, on Jun 1 2007, 12:44 PM, said:

Double, then 1NT over a 1♥/♠ from partner.

Vulnerable, I could be even more aggressive, and bid directly 2NT, treating my hand as 19-20. Given that partner has passed there's not much chance that he has a five card major.

There is a minor issue that double-then-bid-NT tends to imply a club stop, and you don't have one.

And I really fail to see the point in bidding 2NT showing 19-20 balanced with a stop, when you have a 16-count without a stop.

I think it's close between x and 1D. In second seat I would definitely double to get partner involved in the majors if the next hand raises clubs; after RHO has already passed I think I prefer 1D.

[Apollo81]

pclayton, on Jun 1 2007, 10:40 AM, said:

Noble; thats the whole point. You are supposed to make up your mind before hearing from others

I honestly don't think it matters that much on this hand.

If you bid 1♦ you'll be happy if LHO bids clubs and it comes back to you.
In neither case will you have a completely clear call if partner bids 1M, IMO.
I guess I would bid 1♦ in case N♣pp happens

[foo]

gwnn, on Jun 1 2007, 03:52 AM, said:

♠Q8x♥AJx♦AKQTx♣xx

LHO deals

1♣-p-p-?

we're NV/V IMP's

You've got a =3352 16 count. Without a C stop.

X here should promise at least one if not both 4cM or the ability to convert the double to a strain you want.
You are 33 in the majors, and neither strong enough nor shapely enough to convert a T/O X to a preferred strain.

Bid 1D. KISS.

FTR, I would overcall 1D with this hand in either the direct or the balancing seat.

For those worried about missing a game, do you really think partner is going to pass 1D with 9+ HCP?

[pbleighton]

1D.

Double then diamonds is OK, but 16 flat isn't quite enough IMO.

Peter

[jdonn]

Totally obvious double, I think 1♦ in balancing seat is pure silliness.

[pbleighton]

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Totally obvious double, I think 1D in balancing seat is pure silliness.

Of course you wouldn't bid diamonds, you have five of them, no four card suit, and no club stopper.

Totally obvious!

Peter

[Halo]

1D

If I bid conservatively at this point I'm well placed in most auction continuations.

[ArtK78]

In balancing seat, a simple suit bid should be limited to about 13-14 HCP (maybe 15 if it is a bad hand).

This hand is far too good for a simple suit bid of 1♦. And the hand is not single suited, so a balance of 2♦ is not appropriate, either.

So, I double intending to bid diamonds at my next turn.

By the way, one poster stated that he intend to cue bid 3♣ if his partner jumps in a major over my double. That is not necessary. Just bid 3D and partner should know what to do. If you cue bid and partner does not have a club stop, what is he supposed to do? Rebid his 4 card major suit? I am assuming that he has only 4 cards in his major from his failure to overcall with a hand worth a jump in response to a balancing double.

[jdonn]

pbleighton, on Jun 1 2007, 10:51 AM, said:

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Totally obvious double, I think 1D in balancing seat is pure silliness.

Of course you wouldn't bid diamonds, you have five of them, no four card suit, and no club stopper.

Totally obvious!

Peter

hehe, of course you wouldn't double, you have support for every unbid suit, a good enough hand and suit to bid again over any response partner can make, and too much to overcall in balancing seat.

Totally obvious!

[skjaeran]

1♦ for me. Want to get my suit in first. If partner bids 1M I'll rebid 2♣. If opener rebids 2♣ and it goes pass, pass, I'll reopen with a double.