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#1 User is offline   mcphee 

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Posted 2007-May-21, 08:49

I have asked many of my friends what this convention is called, no one can remember. Hard to believe I have to enter that group who plays a convention and does not know the name of it. Kokish also claims not ot know.

After opening 1NT a jump to 3 of a major is short and shows 3 of the other major with 5-4 minors either way, game values or better. The NT hand reacts in various ways to play in the best contract.

So name that tune
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Posted 2007-May-21, 08:53

mcphee, on May 21 2007, 06:49 AM, said:

I have asked many of my friends what this convention is called, no one can remember. Hard to believe I have to enter that group who plays a convention and does not know the name of it. Kokish also claims not ot know.

After opening 1NT a jump to 3 of a major is short and shows 3 of the other major with 5-4 minors either way, game values or better. The NT hand reacts in various ways to play in the best contract.

So name that tune

LOL, if it has a name, I don't know it.

Lets call it Bobbo :P
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Posted 2007-May-21, 08:58

Ive never heard it called anything even though I've played it forever.
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Posted 2007-May-21, 08:58

The convention is mentioned (Briefly) in "Bridge - Classic and Modern Conventions" v2. The section that normally provides a name - Stayman, Jacoby transfers, etc - simply says "Splinter's to avoid NT".

If it were me, I'd called this "VIS", (Short for "Very Infrequent Splinter")
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Posted 2007-May-21, 09:48

I have simply heard it called "splinters", also. Some play it in all 4 suits.
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Posted 2007-May-21, 15:10

I've never heard any name for it, except Splinter.
I play it in all four suits.
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Posted 2007-May-21, 16:19

I've never heard of it at all
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Posted 2007-May-21, 19:00

i play it in major suits only. along with other common conventions... it means that:
2C thru 2H are majors oriented, and
2S thru 3S are minors oriented...

isn't that interesting
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Posted 2007-May-21, 19:15

The guy who taught me this called it a "tracer bid", but I'm not sure where he got that from.
A quick search on google reveals that there is an article from The Bridge World magazine named "The Tracer Bid", written by Krishna Vahalia.
It's the Februrary 1987 V 58 N 5 issue btw.
Unfortunately I don't have that issue. . . (I'm only 4 that year lol) so maybe someone else can check this out.
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Posted 2007-May-22, 05:15

polish 5431
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Posted 2007-May-22, 05:32

Never named this...We use it as a mild slam try with values in major suits, without the values we prefer using MSS...
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Posted 2007-May-22, 10:00

vang, on May 22 2007, 11:15 AM, said:

polish 5431

If this is the name, then definetelly I have heeard of it, my polish friend told me that is the only convention to be alerted when playing wj, because all the others are just standard.
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Posted 2007-May-22, 10:32

I have only heard it called a splinter before, but to me that is totally inaccurate and like Justin despite often playing it never really gave it a name.

I love that bid, some people don't want to use it without slam interest but I use it every chance I get, with generally very good results.
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Posted 2007-May-22, 10:41

Chris Niemeijer refered to it as "fragment bid" in an article in the Dutch BF magazine some four years ago, but I don't remember if he was refering to the version described here or the alternative version in which the 3-card is bid. The latter makes more sense to call "fragment".

That is somewhat ambigous. Maybe it should read "fragment jump responses to 1NT" or some such.
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Posted 2007-May-22, 12:51

I always thot that a "fragment bid" is bidding a 3 or 4 card suit with honors.
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Posted 2007-May-22, 13:04

They call them wizard splinters over here.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-May-22, 15:20

A guy from Poland taught me this convention, he said it is named 5431 in polish. I don't speak polish, and I can't remember how it was pronounced, but I do remember that it was quite difficult.
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Posted 2007-May-23, 04:54

Jari, on May 22 2007, 09:20 PM, said:

A guy from Poland taught me this convention, he said it is named 5431 in polish. I don't speak polish, and I can't remember how it was pronounced, but I do remember that it was quite difficult.

I guess something like 'pyunch-stere-tse-yeden' :blink:
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Posted 2007-May-23, 08:04

I played this with one of my partners. With us, and with everyone else I know who plays it.. it was always referred to as a fragment bid. 1NT 3H = 3 spades, 1 heart, 5/4 in minors.

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Posted 2007-May-23, 08:27

Now, in 20,000 hands or so (man, maybe 50,000 or more) I have played both 3 something as the slam invite with a 6 card suit or the fragment version......and it has never come up!

Surely there are hands with a higher frequency that could be better served by using those 4 (almost totally) idle bids.....
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