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Is there a standard meaning for this sequence?
How do you prefer to play it?
I took it as natural, slam going, 5+ spades, 4+ clubs. Pd meant it as a cue bid. We realized that it might also be Gerber.
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Meaning Of 2NT-3H-3S-4C
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Posted 2007-May-20, 17:21
Natural, second suit.
To ask for aces you bid 4H (texas), partner is forced to bid 4s. Responder now bids 4nt(rkc) or cues.....
To ask for aces you bid 4H (texas), partner is forced to bid 4s. Responder now bids 4nt(rkc) or cues.....
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Posted 2007-May-20, 17:33
natural, at least some slam interest (doesnt have to be the nuts though).
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Posted 2007-May-20, 18:09
Gerber of course.
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Posted 2007-May-20, 23:09
Spades and Clubs. This should be slammish.
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Posted 2007-May-20, 23:13
If you don't have the agreement that 4C is always gerber then natural, at least 5-4.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-May-21, 00:49
Arend? Are you serious? *shocked*
Natural.
Natural.
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Posted 2007-May-21, 00:51
Gerben42, on May 20 2007, 10:49 PM, said:
Arend? Are you serious? *shocked*
Natural.
Natural.
Tsk tsk. Arend is just trying to dispel the rumors that Germans have no sense of humor.
What he meant to say was "Roman Keycard Gerber."
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Posted 2007-May-21, 00:57
Natural, slam invite (4♦ agrees clubs). By the way, I like Arend's joke.
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Posted 2007-May-21, 01:28
I've been experimenting with opener always super-accepting with a fit.
The cost of this is that we cannot make a weak takeout to three of a Major. Another disadvantage is that it might be hard for us to find six of a minor when we have a major suit fit.
The advantage is that we lose the ambiguity of when a new suit is a cue-bid and when it is a new suit.
On the auction given 4♣ is a new suit.
The cost of this is that we cannot make a weak takeout to three of a Major. Another disadvantage is that it might be hard for us to find six of a minor when we have a major suit fit.
The advantage is that we lose the ambiguity of when a new suit is a cue-bid and when it is a new suit.
On the auction given 4♣ is a new suit.
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I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
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True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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Posted 2007-May-21, 02:24
Walddk, on May 21 2007, 12:27 PM, said:
Natural, slam invite (4♦ agrees clubs). By the way, I like Arend's joke.
Roland
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On a similar bidding sequence,
2NT-3D-3H-4D, ( 5 hearts & 4 Diamonds, slammish ) how do you agree of a Diamond fit and no Heart fit?
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Posted 2007-May-21, 02:37
Dwingo, on May 21 2007, 09:24 AM, said:
2NT-3D-3H-4D, ( 5 hearts & 4 Diamonds, slammish ) how do you agree of a Diamond fit and no Heart fit?
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It's messy. Opener bids 4H with 3-card heart support not interested in slam, 4NT with no interest in hearts or diamonds. 4S and 5C are both cue-bids agreeing one of the red suits; responder assumes it is diamonds unless opener then corrects to hearts later in the auction.
You can agree that 4S agrees diamonds and 5C agrees hearts ("flags") but it's possibly a bit high for this to be so useful. (I play 2NT - 3D - 3H - 3S - 4C = hearts, 4D = spades but that's a bit lower).
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Posted 2007-May-21, 02:48
FrancesHinden, on May 21 2007, 03:37 AM, said:
Dwingo, on May 21 2007, 09:24 AM, said:
2NT-3D-3H-4D, ( 5 hearts & 4 Diamonds, slammish ) how do you agree of a Diamond fit and no Heart fit?
Godwin
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It's messy. Opener bids 4H with 3-card heart support not interested in slam, 4NT with no interest in hearts or diamonds. 4S and 5C are both cue-bids agreeing one of the red suits; responder assumes it is diamonds unless opener then corrects to hearts later in the auction.
You can agree that 4S agrees diamonds and 5C agrees hearts ("flags") but it's possibly a bit high for this to be so useful. (I play 2NT - 3D - 3H - 3S - 4C = hearts, 4D = spades but that's a bit lower).
I think 4H agrees hearts and any other bid agrees diam. you don't have the room to show a heart hand that does not like slam. 2N only has a 2-point range anyway.
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Posted 2007-May-21, 03:08
There is another good hand type that these flag bid schemes leave out, a slam suitable hand without a fit such as AKx KJ AQx Axxxx.
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Posted 2007-May-21, 06:22
My thinking would be:
2N-4H-4S-4N rkc
2N-4H-4S-5C cue
2N-3H-3S-4N exactly five spades, no second suit, and probably enough for slam, but partner can pass with a 20 count and two small spades.
That leaves: 2N-3H-3S-4C as spades and clubs. A cue bid now agrees clubs and 4S agrees spades, after which partner will presumably cue or bid rkc. If he isn't willing to bid again after finding the spade fit he had no business bidding this way to start with.
This seems logical enough to me so that I would assume it if I encountered these auctions w/o discussion, but it might not jibe with partner's views, as you found out.
2N-4H-4S-4N rkc
2N-4H-4S-5C cue
2N-3H-3S-4N exactly five spades, no second suit, and probably enough for slam, but partner can pass with a 20 count and two small spades.
That leaves: 2N-3H-3S-4C as spades and clubs. A cue bid now agrees clubs and 4S agrees spades, after which partner will presumably cue or bid rkc. If he isn't willing to bid again after finding the spade fit he had no business bidding this way to start with.
This seems logical enough to me so that I would assume it if I encountered these auctions w/o discussion, but it might not jibe with partner's views, as you found out.
Ken
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