[flytoox]

White all, you hold:
S:A9X
H:JT
D:Q8X
C:KQT86

RHO opens 1D(Precision but promises 3+). Do you overcall 2C or pass?

[starfruit]

Something related : http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...ic=17680&st=15#

Though the difference is that my situation is vul against not
But I suspect most would advocate only an overcall on a good 6 card suit unless you have alot of HCPs. (From the responses of my post)

KQT86 just doesn't seem to cut it with only 12HCP

[the hog]

Yes, absolutely overcall. You cut out opposition bids at the 1 level. I would not overcall 1M, by the way.

[cherdano]

My style is to pass, but I don't know whether that style is better than a style that allows 2♣ here.

[mike777]

2c easy
Per Sabine bid 2c over any 1d opening with any excuse...

Sure you can go for a number..next hand.

[Free]

2♣ seems clear, partner will not give it the full overcall strength because I take an entire level away.

[vang]

i prefer pass, i don't see this hand as an offensive one.

[FrancesHinden]

Pass. Not with Qxx in diamonds.
At matchpoints you might tempt me into 2C but I'd feel guilty about it.

[Walddk]

Touch and go. Qxx diamonds combined with only 5 clubs might scare me away. However, I wouldn't blame anyone who decides to bid 2♣ non vulnerable. If you are red, I think it's a clear pass.

Roland

[mr1303]

Not for me I'm afraid. I must admit my first response was no way ever, but lots of people say it's close, so maybe I'm wrong.

[whereagles]

Minor over minor overcalls are extremely difficult to handle for the opening side, even more if 1♦ if of the nebulous variety.

2♣ stands a mile. Passing is handing oneself into the wims of fate.

[pclayton]

Just pass. If we have something big here, pard will balance.

The club suit I like; everything else about the hand I don't.

[brianshark]

I think I'll bid 2♣.

[hotShot]

Of cause this is a style question, but i see people overcall 5 card suits with 10+ HCP on the 2 level all the time. Bidding weak 2 with 5 cards got popular too and that would mean less HCP that this hand has. Your holding is good enough for partner playing your suit.
So there are a lot of argument to simply bid 2♣ with this hand. Taking bidding space form precision players, is an additional argument to enter the auction.

So if you partnership would bid 2♣ over any 1 level SAYC or 2/1 opening, you should overcall now.
If your style is different and you won't overcall with this hand, than don't.
The most important thing here is to stay consistent.

[jtfanclub]

hotShot, on Jan 31 2007, 09:31 AM, said:

So there are a lot of argument to simply bid 2♣ with this hand. Taking bidding space form precision players, is an additional argument to enter the auction.

Doesn't matter that they're Precision players. In fact, in this case, that they're Precision players makes it much less likely that your bid will hurt them (they're opening shows 3+ diamonds and 11-15 hcp, while the SAYC opener show 3+ diamonds and 11-21 hcp).

It a lot of space that you can use up, but my usual partners really do expect a full opener. Across an unpassed hand, my usual question is 'if my partner leaped to 3NT, would I regret opening my mouth'.

If my P did bid 3NT, it's likely that my Q♦ is golden (partner probably has Ax or Kx). I've got lots of help in whatever other suits he has. I wouldn't be ashamed to put this hand down. I also don't see any rebid issues.

I'll say 2♣.

[SoTired]

2C for me... I think I have a typical 2-level style: always good suit, non-vul = close to opener; vul= full opener. Since this hand has a good suit and close to an opener, I bid 2C. Take away 1 hcp or the 10♣ and I pass.
As others have mentioned 2C steals the entire 1-level. If responder has only one 4-card major, the hand becomes awkward to bid.

There is risk in bidding. LHO has an easy penalty pass with 4 good clubs and 10 HCP. But there is a risk in passing, too. They may easily find their correct level and fit and will more accurately decide what to do if the defense enters the auction with 3C.

[whereagles]

jtfanclub, on Jan 31 2007, 03:18 PM, said:

Doesn't matter that they're Precision players.  In fact, in this case, that they're Precision players makes it much less likely that your bid will hurt them (they're opening shows 3+ diamonds and 11-15 hcp, while the SAYC opener show 3+ diamonds and 11-21 hcp).

That depends on the sort of precision they play. Some variants use 1♦ with as little as 0 diamonds. That obviously isn't the case here (and LHO knows that, of course), but opener may still be 4423.

[cherdano]

whereagles, on Jan 31 2007, 05:58 PM, said:

jtfanclub, on Jan 31 2007, 03:18 PM, said:

Doesn't matter that they're Precision players.  In fact, in this case, that they're Precision players makes it much less likely that your bid will hurt them (they're opening shows 3+ diamonds and 11-15 hcp, while the SAYC opener show 3+ diamonds and 11-21 hcp).

That depends on the sort of precision they play. Some variants use 1♦ with as little as 0 diamonds. That obviously isn't the case here (and LHO knows that, of course), but opener may still be 4423.

How about reading posts before replying?
4423 does not contain 3+ diamonds as specified in the original posting...

This 1♦ actually seems pretty well defined, it might even promise an unbalanced hand?

[whereagles]

> How about reading posts before replying?
> 4423 does not contain 3+ diamonds as specified in the original posting...

Huh.. thought you mentioned precision in general, not the sort of precision this pair is playing


> This 1♦ actually seems pretty well defined, it might even promise an
> unbalanced hand?

Could be. If always unbalanced, the 3 diams will appear in shapes like 4135 (bal hands and 4225s open 1NT), giving RHO a 5 club suit or 5+ diamonds. Responder knows that 99% opener has thus 5+ diamonds.

[fred]

I would overcall 2C.

For most of my bridge career I passed with hands like this one (as would many strong players), but then I noticed that the players who win the most all tend to bid with these hands.

As far as I can tell they are right

Fred Gitelman
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