Posted 2003-May-08, 10:04
At least I can address some of this list of ways to play 3C/3D over 1 of a major, since I have tried it each way on your list. First, I am not as totally anti-bergen as you are. But, and I admit, I almost never use the bid. But what I do like, and what I use a lot, is the ability to jump to 3S over 1S on junk and 4 card support, so whatever bidding structure I end up, I would like to keep that option.
Mini-splinters, I played a fair deal, especially by a passed hand (I would use bergen by unpassed, and splimit by passed hand). This has been reasonably successful, but the problem is if you are limited, with fit, and a short suit, in today's bridge, somebody else has bid before it has gotten back to you. That is, it doens't come up enough to be useful, and even when it does, a fit jump is usually available anway (see below). Also, I began using two way Drury, so 2C and 2D where not available to me as natural and if I took away 3C/3D as more fit showing, well, you see what I thought the problem was. So I started playing 3C/3D by a passed hand as invitational with the minor, but kept 3C/3D by unpassed hand as bergen.
Finally, I started experimenting with 1S-3C/3D/3H and 1H-2S/3C/3D as fit jumps. The rule I have been using with Papathegreek is that these jumps are either invitational or near slam force (wide range difference). There was no change for position. Opener assumes limit at first. We also use the double jump shifts as game forcing fit jumps only (never "extra" over game force). This has evolved a number of changes, one is I still want to be able to show splinter raises. The solution was to fine tune this a little bit... 1H-2S is no longer the fit jump in spades, but rather a relay (major fit), and 1H-2N is fit jump in spades. Over 1S-2N is the relay. Opener bids 3C and responder shows his intent with the relay, which could be to show a short suit splinter).
Another change, becasue I like my 1S-3S being weak, is the use of 2C to have multiple meanings. I will try to discuss this in context of your other post about DC standard, but in a nutshell, we play 2C as either a true game force with clubs, or some kind of limited major raise. I have to admit that this has had some good sucesses and some horrible problems. Opponents, especially vulnerable ones, will not be too keen to risk overcalling 2C if it shows game force and possible misfit, and by the time you pull out your major fit, several passes has gotten contagious. The problem is with the second bid and in competition, if they do interfer, what shows what.
But enough rambling, back the question at hand. Fit jumps and purely inventational are good uses. It turns out, I am beginning to think if you want to play the jump as inventational, it is actually better used by an unpassed hand, and fit jumps are better by passed hand. That is opposite the way I started playing these bids. This is because third seat opening are often light, and I have gotten too high jumping with a hand I couldn't open with and without a fit. Seems obvious to me now, but I was worried about biddign the minor not what made sense when I decided on the limit bid. At least if we have a fit if you reverse these and partner is weak, the fit jump would allow us to play at the three level in our 9 card fit, and may help us find magic games with weak third seat opener. Likewise, 1st/2nd seat opening are usually "sound" (lol, by today's definition, sound is almost anything) and the invintational jump limits the range of the 1NT then new minor rebid by responder.
Final analysis, I am ready and willing to give up on Bergen if limit raise can be shown by another mechanism (maybe 2NT using SMART convention for instance). Splimit is not that necessary, fit jumps work well (I don't play them "weak" but passable at the level bid). I see you didn't mention "Solway Jumpshift" or preemptive jumpshift. I agree with leavng both out here, but, I was surprized you didn't mention them. If you do play these as strong jumpshifts, I recommend they be Soloway-like. I am sick and tired of my partners insisting on preemptive jumpshifts after we open, then jump in a T high suit, where I will be on lead... imagine...
Me 1D-P-2S-3H-P-4H-PPP and the only lead that lets them make is if I lead my partners suit. GACK.....
--Ben--