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How to bid 5332 Balance hand vs 1NT

#1 User is offline   soldatoJ 

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Posted 2003-May-07, 08:03

How to bid 5332 Balance hand when partner bid 1NT?

5332 with slam interest
5 card minor

any system to bid this?
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Posted 2003-May-07, 08:11

Evolution of balanced slam invites include a few corrolaries to the 4NT quantitative invite.  1N-4S becomes 44 in minors balanced asking quantitative and 1NT-4NT is either 4333 or 5332 with 5 card minor.  If opener is to accept they can accept 6NT, bid a suit @ 5 level (this is 4 lowest biddable 4 card suit), bid suit @ 6 level (5 carder) bid 5NT (3334 with 4 clubs) or bid 5C which is acceptance of quantitative bid but ASKING responder what 4 card suit is OR what 5 card suit is.
Responses are;

1N-4N-5C (asking)

5D=4 diamonds
5H=4 hearts
5S=4 spades
5N=4 clubs
6C=5 clubs
6D=5 diamonds

This is how I handle these hands.  Obviously there is a small flaw (perhaps the exact question you would like answered) is how to identify the doubleton in the 5332 hand and judge whether 6m or 6N is in play.
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Posted 2003-May-07, 08:17

To identify the doubleton is not very easy
but if partner have minimum but you may still have 6 minor when partner have 4 card trump together with a doubleton.

How to any method to due with it?

Acutally I have some idea when I play Hardy 2/1 System's NT bidding
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Posted 2003-May-07, 08:23

If you utilize MSS this should not be a problem as long as you use good hand evaluation.  With a quantitative raise you may ask MSS if you have a marginal hand but lots of controls or "good cards" (eg  15 or 16 hcp with 5332 and 5 card minor with Qx in your doubleton is generally a wasted value and perhaps only 4NT ask).

Although I like this question, I have not accounted for this hand in my system with my regular partner (unless I forget - LOL).  We utilize many relays after 1NT to ask/illicit/describe information but this hand we have omitted!!!!
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Posted 2003-May-07, 08:36

My idea in Hardy NT bidding
1N-2C (stayman can have no 4 card Major)
2H-2S (invite to 3NT without 4 card spade or 5332 slam)
->

2N= don't accept invite to 3NT
3C= accept invite to 3NT
3D= accept invite to 3NT with 5 times heart

then respond can bid something to show 5332 invite to slam

2N->
3C = (233)5, 3D future relay for doubleton
-> 3H=3235, 3S=2335, 3N =3325
3D = 3352, 3H = 3235, 3S=2335

3C->
3D =  (233) 5, 3H future relay for doubleton
-> 3S= spade/3N=Heart/4C=diamond
3H =  (23) 5(3), 3S future relay for doubleton
-> 3N= spade/4C=Heart/4D=club
3N = to play 3NT

3D->
3H=3235
3S=3253
3N= to play
4C=(2)3(3)5, 4D relay -> 4H= spade, 4S=diamond
4D=(2)35(3), 4S relay -> 4N=spade, 5C=club
4H= to play
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Posted 2003-May-13, 05:15

I know is not the best treatment but my approach is simple:  I play 4way transfers so I transfer to the minor, if partner denies interest in the minor we can signoff in game, if partner shows interest then cue-bidding starts and we might find a good slam.
Maybe you can post an example hand to check how this method would have worked (or not)
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