[Robert]

Hi everyone

I can bid both of my suits 'if' I get another chance. I would bid 3Ds over a black suit bid by the other pair.

Using your methods would you want to bid 3Hs after an auction of
(1C)-X-p-2D-(3C)-p-p-? or (1C)-X-p-2D-p-p-(3C)?

If I bid at the 3 level, my partner can 'prefer' either red suit 'at the three level.'
Using your methods 'if' you bid 3Hs(a big 'if' IMO), you would 'force' the bidding to the four level 'if' your partner prefers Ds to Hs.

This hand is worth a mild invite(in both of our methods we both jumped to the two level) my bidding 'might' go as high as the three level. You would have to decide 'if' the four level was worthwhile with the 'same example hand' after your partner 'did not' show any additional values.

Any method that you chose to use is fine with me. I play a lot of non standard agreements. Showing a natural suit of hearts after making a non-forcing bid in Ds in reply to a takeout double does not seem to be the best use of the bidding space.

I have been playing almost four decades now and the other pair tends to bid 3Cs fairly often, my methods are to show hearts at the two level and Ds 'if' possible at the three level.

Your methods would appear to require you to bid 3Hs and get a possible correction at the 4D level. I just do not see the advantage of sometimes either forcing the bidding to the four level 'or' passing out 3Cs with the given example hand 'that we both felt was only worth a mild invite.

Regards,
Robert

[1eyedjack]

EricK, on Dec 4 2006, 07:41 PM, said:

♥Maybe one should play transfers at the two level in response to a take out double. So here you can bid 2♣ as a transfer to ♦ followed by 2♥

Ja I like transfer jump responses, but on this hand I bid 2♦ transfer to ♥. I do not rate this hand worth a transfer to ♦ then 2♥ follow up, which I would play as one round forcing.

[the hog]

HeartA, even if I had another D I would bid 2H. Another question to ask yourseldf is how would you feel if pd passed your 2D bid with
Axxx
Axxx
KJx
xx
This is a minimum t/o double and I would not expect partner to bid again with this. You can always show Ds later, but your prime duty is to show a 4 card M in response to pd's X. After all, where is your most likely game if you have one, 5D or 4H?

[cherdano]

I am with Adam, I like 1♦. I think with all these queens, this hand is only worth 2H when partern has 4-card support. I don't really want to play a 4-3 heart fit on a trump lead unless partner wants to. Bidding 1♦ and 2♥ will actually suggest that (and even give a hint of my spade shortness). Even if I get the chance to bid 3♦ after 2♥ and 3♣, we may actually be too high. Starting with 1♦, I am only badly placed if opponents jump to 3♣.

[HeartA]

The_Hog, on Dec 4 2006, 09:02 PM, said:

HeartA, even if I had another D I would bid 2H. Another question to ask yourseldf is how would you feel if pd passed your 2D bid with
Axxx
Axxx
KJx
xx
This is a minimum t/o double and I would not expect partner to bid again with this. You can always show Ds later, but your prime duty is to show a 4 card M in response to pd's X. After all, where is your most likely game if you have one, 5D or 4H?

This is a perfect fit. Even so, pd would pass my 2H and we would still miss a game. There is only one IMP difference between playing 2D and 2H. Besides, opps might not let use play 2D and I would have a chance to bid 3H. Knowing the fit of two red suits (and precious DKJx), pd then might bid 4H.

[neilkaz]

Al_U_Card, on Dec 4 2006, 03:08 PM, said:

Perhaps wrongly, I was taught with this hand to respond 2H and if it came back to me and I could bid 3D, to do so showing 9-11 hcp with 4H and 5+ D. With 5 H I would rebid 3H and forget the D suit completely.

We were taught the same way ..I am in complete agreement with you and Robert in this thread.

[pigpenz]

i agree with 2♥'s but I can also see that 2♦ followed by 3♥ would also be fine

[EricK]

Maybe one could use this sort of system over (1♣) X (P):
1♦ artificial, strong but not GF (8-11 ish) no 5 card major
1♥ weak, usually 4+ but occasionally 3 if 3334, 3343, 2344
1♠ weak, usually 4+ or 3244
1NT natural
2♣ GF any distribution
2♦ weak with ♦ as only suit
2♥/♠ 8-11 5 card suit
rest as standard.

[glen]

If playing standard I would bid 2♥, the value showing bid. If playing responses I prefer, where 2♥ is about 5-9 (or poor 10) and 5+♥s, I would bid 1♥ showing 0-10 and usually just 4♥s unless bad hand. If playing with an expert partner, and if we had the agreement, I would bid 2NT, scramble with two playable spots and not enough to cuebid - this would help us get to our spot while perhaps blocking the opponents from getting to their spot.

[Al_U_Card]

officeglen, on Dec 5 2006, 08:10 PM, said:

If playing with an expert partner, and if we had the agreement, I would bid 2NT, scramble with two playable spots and not enough to cuebid - this would help us get to our spot while perhaps blocking the opponents from getting to their spot.

Unless, of course, your last playable spot had been 2 ♥...

Sometimes bidding need only be about getting to the right spot....

[MFA]

2♥ is a standout.
Bidding diamonds first should be reserved for hands with a much worse heart suit than the actual KQ10x.