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Scoring: IMP
bidding was:
WEst north east south
----- ------ ------ pass
pass 1di 1sp pass
1nt dbl pass 2he
pass pass pass
what do u think about the dbl by north?
what do u think about the 2 he call?
thx in advance for your help
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penalty or take-out?
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Posted 2006-November-29, 08:03
bidding was:
WEst north east south
----- ------ ------ pass
pass 1di 1sp pass
1nt dbl pass 2he
pass pass pass
what do u think about the dbl by north?
what do u think about the 2 he call?
thx in advance for your help
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Posted 2006-November-29, 08:55
Take-out. I have a clear agreement here: extras with short spades, 1-4-5-3, 1-3-5-4, 2-4-4-3 or 1-4-4-4. With 18-19 balanced, too many spades and not four hearts I pass. We can't make anything because partner is broke, and we will struggle against 1NTX, again because partner is broke. If I have extras and shape, I would like to compete.
I know that we can beat 1NT. I will settle for 50 instead of 100 and won't lose any sleep over it.
Roland
I know that we can beat 1NT. I will settle for 50 instead of 100 and won't lose any sleep over it.
Roland
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Posted 2006-November-29, 09:52
Agree, should be takeout, especially at imps.
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Posted 2006-November-29, 10:05
Was it alerted? 
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Posted 2006-November-29, 20:16
The question is "What do you think about the double by North?" Well I think it was meant as penalty, though it should be takeout. It is a very poor double as 1NT is not an easy beat unless you have the nous to lead to your partner's J of C at some stage.
Katherine, sorry but I don't understand your question. Why should the X be alerted?
Feel sorry for South on this and I guess his 2H bid is ok. I misread the convoluted formatting originally, so I edited this. Nth deserves to be punished for this.
Katherine, sorry but I don't understand your question. Why should the X be alerted?
Feel sorry for South on this and I guess his 2H bid is ok. I misread the convoluted formatting originally, so I edited this. Nth deserves to be punished for this.
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Posted 2006-November-29, 20:56
The_Hog, on Nov 29 2006, 07:16 PM, said:
Katherine, sorry but I don't understand your question. Why should the X be alerted?
Ron, after all my confusion with doubles I was trying to be funny
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
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Posted 2006-November-29, 23:05
North's dbl is for penalty or take-out, depending on partnership agreement. I would bid 2D instead of 2H as South.
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Posted 2006-November-30, 09:42
I actually think that penalties has a better case here. 1NT is very often made on a misfit, and the opening side can easily have 21-23 hcp in the deal. To double here for penalties is a two-edged sword, but it makes some sense.
Still, this dbl is more of a partnership agreement thing, and most agreements state that this is a take-out situation.
Still, this dbl is more of a partnership agreement thing, and most agreements state that this is a take-out situation.
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Posted 2006-December-01, 00:47
I don't think this can be penalty. If North has spades strength, he's badly positioned. If he hasn't, spades may run.
Compare to
1x-pass-pass-1y
pass-1NT-pass-pass
dbl (penalty)
I have some sympathy for 2♦ though, just in case dbl was meant as penalty. Sinceif it's t/o it probably doesn't matter much if you bid 2♦ or 2♥.
Compare to
1x-pass-pass-1y
pass-1NT-pass-pass
dbl (penalty)
I have some sympathy for 2♦ though, just in case dbl was meant as penalty. Sinceif it's t/o it probably doesn't matter much if you bid 2♦ or 2♥.
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