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What is your agreement (if any) about this bid? If no agreement, what would you think it would be with your regular partner / with a pickup partner?
(1♣) 1♦ (1♥) 2♥
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Do you have an agreement?
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Posted 2006-September-15, 14:40
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Posted 2006-September-15, 14:47
Gerben42, on Sep 15 2006, 03:40 PM, said:
What is your agreement (if any) about this bid? If no agreement, what would you think it would be with your regular partner / with a pickup partner?
(1♣) 1♦ (1♥) 2♥
(1♣) 1♦ (1♥) 2♥
Yes, we do, for us this would show a strong
hand with spades.
Playing with an unknown partner face to face
I would shoot him, playing online ..., I would
try to find a bid, which minimizes the damage.
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Posted 2006-September-15, 14:53
For me it is natural, analogous to (1m) P (1♥) 2♥
And for the same reason: the 1♥ bid could be on xxxx in the suit, and I may well hold a decent 6 card suit.
I play a lot of transfers, but not after the opps change of suit after our overcall, and, in any event, I fail to see why this should be a transfer: you can already bid 1 or 2♠ (unless you have taken 1♠ away for a reason that escapes me... I don't see how a transfer use, to either 1N or 2♣, rates to be good enough to overcome the loss of a natural ♥ bid)
And for the same reason: the 1♥ bid could be on xxxx in the suit, and I may well hold a decent 6 card suit.
I play a lot of transfers, but not after the opps change of suit after our overcall, and, in any event, I fail to see why this should be a transfer: you can already bid 1 or 2♠ (unless you have taken 1♠ away for a reason that escapes me... I don't see how a transfer use, to either 1N or 2♣, rates to be good enough to overcome the loss of a natural ♥ bid)
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Posted 2006-September-15, 16:13
Hi Everyone
With two cue bids available, I play the lower cuebid shows a limit+ raise with 3 card support and the higher cuebid shows a 4+ support limit+ raise.
Did I first see this idea used while reading Ambra?
Regards,
Robert
With two cue bids available, I play the lower cuebid shows a limit+ raise with 3 card support and the higher cuebid shows a 4+ support limit+ raise.
Did I first see this idea used while reading Ambra?
Regards,
Robert
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Posted 2006-September-15, 16:36
For me this would be natural for exactly the same reasons that Mike states.
If the opponent's 1♥ bid guaranteed a five-card suit then 2♥ would not be natural but we don't have a specific agreement.
I wouldn't make this bid in a pick-up partnership. If my partner made the bid I would not be sure what he meant. I suppose I would be most likely to play him for some sort of cue-bid.
Curiously my almost pick-up partner tried this with me this week in a similar auction. She followed it up with 3♥. I correctly deduced that she needed a heart stopper for 3NT.
If the opponent's 1♥ bid guaranteed a five-card suit then 2♥ would not be natural but we don't have a specific agreement.
I wouldn't make this bid in a pick-up partnership. If my partner made the bid I would not be sure what he meant. I suppose I would be most likely to play him for some sort of cue-bid.
Curiously my almost pick-up partner tried this with me this week in a similar auction. She followed it up with 3♥. I correctly deduced that she needed a heart stopper for 3NT.
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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Posted 2006-September-15, 22:08
Natural. Same reasons.
However, this reminds me of a similar problem I once faced with a first-time partner. See:
http://web2.acbl.org...5spring/db5.pdf
at Page 6.
For the record, our team was WAY outclassed, and WAY behind. So, my heart suit quality was a tad less than expected...
However, this reminds me of a similar problem I once faced with a first-time partner. See:
http://web2.acbl.org...5spring/db5.pdf
at Page 6.
For the record, our team was WAY outclassed, and WAY behind. So, my heart suit quality was a tad less than expected...
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Posted 2006-September-16, 04:00
After (1C) 1D (1H), IHMO
2H = natural
2C/3C = 3-card/4-card LR+ (when q-bid at both 2- and 3-level below 3-of-our-suit)
2H = natural
2C/3C = 3-card/4-card LR+ (when q-bid at both 2- and 3-level below 3-of-our-suit)
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Posted 2006-September-16, 09:13
No agreement = by default, natural = my agreement 
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