[the hog]

I must state that anyone who opens this hand 1H in first seat does NOT know what the game is about.

Perhaps I should say that anyone who has been playing for 35 years and does not open this hand should read some books on modern bidding practice and hand evaluation.

[lenze]

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I must state that anyone who opens this hand 1H in first seat does NOT know what the game is about.

Perhaps I should say that anyone who has been playing for 35 years and does not open this hand should read some books on modern bidding practice and hand evaluation.

Perhaps you are right, but my early mentors were Ozwald Jacoby, Jim Jacoby, Dr John Fisher and Curtis Smith, among others. I guess I'm too old to change my ways.

[mishovnbg]

Hi all!
Thanks Ben, I really will not open 1HE, because they can have game in SP, so I will open simple 1NT . I did it here in BBO many time ago and my p was Grzegorz (Libido). Opponents went to 3NT contract and made it +3 ;D. This bluff was invented by Sam Stayman, you may be play his convention...
Hi Lenze, you no need to be sorry! Main rule N 13 is: "Result of bluff must pay bluffer!". If you think your partner is all time bluffing, you will receive worse results.
Misho

[luke warm]

i honestly didn't consider myself to be beating up on you... as far as i know, i've never done that... i do know that even in bygone years, today's aggresive style would have paid dividends.. at least i think so...

the players you named were great ones, no doubt about it.. but there are many today who play the game equally as well, and they aren't as conservative as the masters of the past... they can't afford to be, lenze.. bidders win in the long run, and pressure bidders win more often than not.. if this wasn't so, steps wouldn't have been taken to prevent at least one pair from winning this way (bergen/cohen - 'rule of 5 and 5')

duplicate matchpoints is all about beating par your way... while i wouldn't open that hand 1nt (ala misho), it's only because of the stiff and being in first seat.. well, also because he's more fearless than i (that hurt to say, but it's true, dang it)

i've played with people who insist that 13 hcp is needed to open.. over the course of several boards, their score reflects their lack of bidding.. do they not understand this game? i don't think so, i just think they don't understand the value of bidding, and of bidding often

[inquiry]

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Hi all!
Thanks Ben, I really will not open 1HE, because they can have game in SP, so I will open simple 1NT .

Yes I know you well.. notice, after making a joke about playing with you (I KNEW it wasn't you), I said "But even he (meaning Misho) would not open that hand 1H." I went on to add.. that "A much better psych is 1NT or 1S or 1C." I could have, and should have added, Misho and I would both open this third seat hand 1NT.. .which is why I listed that psyche first of the three. :-)

Ben

[Free]

If you don't open this hand in 1st seat 1H, then you get what you deserve: partner psyches, you make a 'to play 4H' bid, you won't have a clue (ever!) that partner is psyching, and you have to descide yourself if you'll play 5H or not. Partner has nothing to say in this bidding sequence and there's no way you'll find out he lied!

Say you open 1H (I would, and not because rule of 20, but because of only 7 losers) no problem will arise. And if you don't open 1H, bid at least 2H (or are you too strong for that? when do you bid ever?)...

Say you pass and partner opens 1H like this case, I'd NEVER bid 4H in favorable vulnerability if opponents DARE to bid 1NT!!! Dbl -2 earns more than 4H+2... If you dont get thàt picture, then I think YOU don't know what this game is all about.

[luis]

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If you don't open this hand in 1st seat 1H, then you get what you deserve: partner psyches, you make a 'to play 4H' bid, you won't have a clue (ever!) that partner is psyching, and you have to descide yourself if you'll play 5H or not. Partner has nothing to say in this bidding sequence and there's no way you'll find out he lied!

Say you open 1H (I would, and not because rule of 20, but because of only 7 losers) no problem will arise. And if you don't open 1H, bid at least 2H (or are you too strong for that? when do you bid ever?)...

Say you pass and partner opens 1H like this case, I'd NEVER bid 4H in favorable vulnerability if opponents DARE to bid 1NT!!! Dbl -2 earns more than 4H+2... If you dont get thàt picture, then I think YOU don't know what this game is all about.

Take it easy Free, I think Lenze overreacted when he said we (and Ron and others) don't know what this game is about :-)
I forgive him and I'm sure he will forgive us all for the beating :-)
After all the idea of the arguments in this forum is to have some bridge conversation and some beating from time to time is fun to read and write as long as the opinions are respected ant nothing is taken personal.

Now.....

If you don't open 1h you are a loser :-)))

[Free]

lol!

Sorry if it's written too strong, I don't want to beat anyone, just expressing my opinion...

[lenze]

I appreciate ALL of the comments, and take NO offense to any of them. In the 35 years I've played, I have had hundreds of heated discussions and disagreements with many players and they are all still my friends..

[flytoox]

I think some discussions didnt hit the point. I agree I will open this hand(I am relatively a sound opener), but this post is really about psychic bidding. Even though you will avoid this problem for sure with this hand if you open it, you still will face other psychic bidding problem when you hold another hand. I posted a similar question about when we should psych and what to psych and how to explore opp's possible psych. Unfortunately not much discussion about it. I think this is rather difficult in a very intensive competition when you put all your effort into bidding and play. It is just like in defense, there maybe a way, but you just could not imagine it.

[Trpltrbl]

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You got what you deserved for not opening 1h :-)
When you have a 1h opening and you pass you are not allowed to blame pd for choosing the wrong opening bid.

2 1/2 quick tricks and nice shape, 1 H opening normal even if r point count is very minimum, at least according to you
Hope r pd at least bought y a beer at the bar since his 1 H psyche was horrid . 1 Sp if y wanna psyche.

Mike ;D