[awm]

The relay helps on the slam hands, but I'm not sure how you get to the right spot when responder holds only a game-invitational hand and opener has three trumps. Seems like you're stuck playing either 3NT on light values or 3♠ on a 4-3 fit and two balanced hands......

In any case, Elianna and I should do just find on these hands without a relay:

1♥ - 1♠
2♠ - 3♦
3♠ - 3NT
4♣

3♦ = natural and game forcing
3♠ = 4-card support for spade, at least a decent hand for slam
3NT = non-serious
4♣ = cuebid, really good hand (esp. after partner's diam call)

This is also a nice hand for my preferred artificial methods after a natural 1♥-1♠ auction, which include 2♦ as a "good spade raise."

[inquiry]

hrothgar, on Jul 10 2006, 09:29 AM, said:

I find it much easier to work with example hands rather than using an external metric like Zar points. 

Any chance that you could provide some representative examples of maximum and minimum 3♠ advances for both 4=5=2=2 and 4=5=31 shapes...

Also, assume that this is a typical 3♠ advance... (Therefore if you have a King more you can't bid 3♠).  What do you do with all the strong hands?

I suspect that you have yet another gimmick (like an artificial 2NT advance) that you use to handle the strong hands.  (There's nothing wrong with this.  I'm sure that its a quite nice system.)  However, I think that its dangerous to assume that all the inferences from your little eccentricities necessarily hold true.

Well, you don't have to assume that I use 2NT with the stronger hand, I have said that not once but TWICE before your post in this very thread. I also have gazilli (well ritong 2C) in the bag of tricks too to cover the strong NT hands that others use 2NT rebids for.

As for teaching you how to bid, not sure I am up to it (showing a lot of hands). Here is the gist...

With 4-5-13 or 4-5-40, opener needs very little extra to jump to 3S. First, opener gets at least two bonus points for the singleton (and 3 for a void). So if he opened with 26 hcp, the three bonus for a void already gets him to 29 (of course we need a good 29), or 28 with a singleton (opener can open 1H wiht 25 since he has spades). A spade honor or two, with shortness is generally enough. With 4522, minor suit honors (queens and jacks) are dicount. And there is precious little distributional points added (one). So the HCP requirement for the raise with 5422 is higher than with 4531.

Here are some example hands... in no particular order.... In each case the auction will start 1H-1S (note, with Five spades, I respond 1NT, not 1S, and over 1S which is 0 to 4 spades, I don't bid like this. We will assume for this thread, however, you used these methods without "kaplan inversion".)

IMP-50 [space] [space] [space]34671 [space] [space] [space] Dlr: North 
Board 1937 [space]S AQ42 [space] [space] [space]Vul: E-W
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H T9865 [space] [space] 
radu1976 [space] [space]D K [space] [space] [space] [space] alonella [space] [space]
S J93 [space] [space] [space] C A75 [space] [space] [space] S 7 [space] [space] [space] [space] 
H J42 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] H KQ7 [space] [space] [space] 
D AQ82 [space] [space] [space]JaneO [space] [space] [space] D J654 [space] [space] [space]
C JT4 [space] [space] [space] S KT865 [space] [space] C KQ962 [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H A3 [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D T973 [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C 83 [space] [space] [space] [space]

Over 1S north discounts the value of the stiff diamond king (or count it as 1 or 2 pts, your choice). He has 13 distributional, 10 hcp (or add for K), 2 control, for 25.. can open iwth 4 spades. Over 1S, he gets 2 bonus for AQ and 2 for stiff king. 25+4 = 29 and that is counting 0 value for the king. This is a minimum 3[sp] rebid. After which game is rountinely bid (south having 23 of his own... 

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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 4S [space] [space]S CJ [space]JaneO [space] [space]10 [space] 420 [space] 5.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 4S [space] [space]S S3 [space]blacksae 10 [space] 420 [space] 5.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 4S [space] [space]S CJ [space]bara api 10 [space] 420 [space] 5.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 4S [space] [space]S CJ [space]cato_er [space]10 [space] 420 [space] 5.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 3CX [space] W DK [space]rojen [space] [space] 8 [space] 200 [space] 0.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 3C [space] [space]E HA [space]bibicu [space] [space]7 [space] 200 [space] 0.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 2S [space] [space]S CJ [space]Lnp [space] [space] [space]10 [space] 170 [space]-0.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 3S [space] [space]S CJ [space]gipa [space] [space] 10 [space] 170 [space]-0.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 2S [space] [space]S C4 [space]mehary [space] 10 [space] 170 [space]-0.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 2S [space] [space]S DA [space]ace1987 [space]10 [space] 170 [space]-0.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 3S [space] [space]S CJ [space]ruffus [space] 10 [space] 170 [space]-0.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 2S [space] [space]S CJ [space]ponella [space]10 [space] 170 [space]-0.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 3S [space] [space]S CJ [space]m2k5b7 [space] [space]9 [space] 140 [space]-1.47 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 4S [space] [space]S CJ [space]kartagina 9 [space] -50 [space]-6.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 4S [space] [space]S CJ [space]deltaq [space] [space]9 [space] -50 [space]-6.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 4SX [space] N HQ [space]Junio [space] [space] 9 [space]-100 [space]-7.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
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IMP-41 [space] [space] [space]Andrei_16 [space] Dlr: West [space]
Board 45935 S AQJ6 [space] [space] [space]Vul: E-W
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H KJ764 [space] [space] 
xanthe6 [space] [space] D 65 [space] [space] [space] [space]krtl [space] [space] [space] [space]
S 74 [space] [space] [space] [space]C A2 [space] [space] [space] [space]S T [space] [space] [space] [space] 
H AQ983 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] H T52 [space] [space] [space] 
D 82 [space] [space] [space] [space]bibanu [space] [space] [space]D AJT973 [space] [space]
C KJ54 [space] [space] [space]S K98532 [space] [space]C Q87 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D KQ4 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C T963 [space] [space] [space]

Even with 4522, north has too much for jump to 3[sp]. 15 hcp, 12 dis points, 5 control points, 2 points for two spade honors and a distributional point for the doubleton (some add two since there are two). This is 34 Zar points, I would go through 2NT (forcing raise with 4 trumps, but only forcing to 3[sp]. 

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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 6S [space] [space]E S7 [space]bibanu [space] 11 [space]-100 -12.00 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 1N [space] [space]E C4 [space]fok [space] [space] [space] 8 [space] 120 [space]-9.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 3S [space] [space]E D2 [space]grzywa [space] 11 [space] 200 [space]-7.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 4S [space] [space]E D8 [space]poulerik 10 [space] 620 [space] 1.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 4S [space] [space]E S4 [space]poiuy [space] [space]10 [space] 620 [space] 1.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 4S [space] [space]E D8 [space]jpl64 [space] [space]11 [space] 650 [space] 2.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 4S [space] [space]E D2 [space]alparslan11 [space] 650 [space] 2.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 4S [space] [space]E C4 [space]isaac39 [space]11 [space] 650 [space] 2.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 4S [space] [space]E D8 [space]jackibabe11 [space] 650 [space] 2.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 4S [space] [space]E D8 [space]lebron [space] 11 [space] 650 [space] 2.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 4S [space] [space]E HA [space]apask [space] [space]11 [space] 650 [space] 2.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 4S [space] [space]E D8 [space]mahi [space] [space] 11 [space] 650 [space] 2.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 4S [space] [space]E D8 [space]Norbert7711 [space] 650 [space] 2.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 4S [space] [space]E D2 [space]baldnblon12 [space] 680 [space] 3.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 4S [space] [space]E D8 [space]metin200512 [space] 680 [space] 3.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 4S [space] [space]E D2 [space]ismini [space] 12 [space] 680 [space] 3.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
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IMP-42 [space] [space] [space]marisa480 [space] Dlr: West [space]
Board 54812 S AJ62 [space] [space] [space]Vul: None
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H AJT [space] [space] [space] 
MimmoGal [space] [space]D QJ3 [space] [space] [space] mishoo_10 [space] 
S T7 [space] [space] [space] [space]C 984 [space] [space] [space] S KQ5 [space] [space] [space] 
H 9875 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H 3 [space] [space] [space] [space] 
D T8 [space] [space] [space] [space]bibetto [space] [space] D 976542 [space] [space]
C AKQT6 [space] [space] S 9843 [space] [space] [space]C 753 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H KQ642 [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D AK [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C J2 [space] [space] [space] [space]

This one is just below a jump to 3S. South can climb to 29 ZAR points in support of spades, with Club JACK disregarded. But this is not a good 29, the AK in the short suit is a minus, and the weak spades is another minus, and no heart intermedites is another. 2S is the limit of the raise. [space]But to be fair, north will have raised hearts to start off with I think. 
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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 4H [space] [space]W CA [space]bibetto [space] 8 [space]-100 [space]-2.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 4H [space] [space]W CA [space]ShlK [space] [space] [space]8 [space]-100 [space]-2.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 4H [space] [space]W CA [space]lionlupo [space]8 [space]-100 [space]-2.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 4H [space] [space]W CA [space]odemir [space] [space]8 [space]-100 [space]-2.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 4H [space] [space]W CA [space]Bial02 [space] [space]8 [space]-100 [space]-2.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 4H [space] [space]W CA [space]BlondixAle8 [space]-100 [space]-2.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 4H [space] [space]W CK [space]laertes [space] 8 [space]-100 [space]-2.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 4H [space] [space]W CA [space]rolfevers 8 [space]-100 [space]-2.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 3H [space] [space]W CA [space]gital [space] [space] 8 [space] -50 [space]-0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 4H [space] [space]W CA [space]melgold [space] 9 [space] -50 [space]-0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 4H [space] [space]W CA [space]ceafa [space] [space] 9 [space] -50 [space]-0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 3N [space] [space]E D5 [space]missua [space] [space]8 [space] -50 [space]-0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 4S [space] [space]E H3 [space]corovi [space] [space]9 [space] -50 [space]-0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 2N [space] [space]E D5 [space]Bob Wade [space]9 [space] 150 [space] 4.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 2N [space] [space]E SK [space]FotitoBg 11 [space] 210 [space] 5.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 3N [space] [space]E D5 [space]senol05 [space] 9 [space] 400 [space] 9.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]




IMP-43 [space] [space] [space]Just__Judy [space]Dlr: South 
Board 27912 S KQ54 [space] [space] [space]Vul: E-W
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H KQ874 [space] [space] 
dpar4 [space] [space] [space] D T2 [space] [space] [space] [space]gabel59 [space] [space] 
S J96 [space] [space] [space] C K4 [space] [space] [space] [space]S 32 [space] [space] [space] [space]
H JT9 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] H A652 [space] [space] [space]
D AQ75 [space] [space] [space]cool nick [space] D 98 [space] [space] [space] [space]
C A76 [space] [space] [space] S AT87 [space] [space] [space]C Q9852 [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H 3 [space] [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D KJ643 [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C JT3 [space] [space] [space] 

A boarderline hand. North starts with 28 ZARS (counting club King full 4 points). And in support of spades picks up 2 for the spade honors and 1 for the two doubletons and 4th spade. That comes to 31. Even subtract one for Kx of clubs, this is 30, so I would jump to 3S.
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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 2S [space] [space]N D5 [space]cool nick10 [space] 170 [space] 4.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 3S [space] [space]S D9 [space]toma_st [space]10 [space] 170 [space] 4.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 1N [space] [space]N D5 [space]Sir_Hasan 9 [space] 150 [space] 3.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 2S [space] [space]N S6 [space]tudoricaus9 [space] 140 [space] 3.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 3S [space] [space]N S6 [space]syilmaz20 9 [space] 140 [space] 3.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 2S [space] [space]N HJ [space]juduha [space] [space]9 [space] 140 [space] 3.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 1N [space] [space]N S6 [space]muratmit [space]7 [space] [space]90 [space] 2.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 3S [space] [space]N CA [space]welborn [space] 8 [space] -50 [space]-1.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 4S [space] [space]N HJ [space]korfez80 [space]9 [space] -50 [space]-1.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 4S [space] [space]N HJ [space]rma [space] [space] [space] 9 [space] -50 [space]-1.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 3S [space] [space]N S6 [space]bru54 [space] [space] 8 [space] -50 [space]-1.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 4S [space] [space]N CA [space]sneis [space] [space] 8 [space]-100 [space]-3.00 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 4S [space] [space]S D9 [space]iboege [space] [space]8 [space]-100 [space]-3.00 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 3N [space] [space]S C5 [space]aga 17 [space] [space]6 [space]-150 [space]-4.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 3N [space] [space]N CA [space]Mastval [space] 6 [space]-150 [space]-4.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 4S [space] [space]S D8 [space]pedro77 [space] 7 [space]-150 [space]-4.40 [space] [space]

MP-44 [space] [space] [space]zigieh1 [space] [space] Dlr: East [space]
Board 63511 S T654 [space] [space] [space]Vul: N-S
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H KQ985 [space] [space] 
paulusp [space] [space] D AJ [space] [space] [space] [space]ressam55 [space] [space]
S 98 [space] [space] [space] [space]C Q7 [space] [space] [space] [space]S 732 [space] [space] [space] 
H A7643 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] H [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] 
D T [space] [space] [space] [space] Icke [space] [space] [space] [space]D 876432 [space] [space]
C AT853 [space] [space] S AKQJ [space] [space] [space]C J942 [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H JT2 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D KQ95 [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C K6 [space] [space] [space] [space]

2S is enough with north, everyone can agree. 
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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 6SX [space] W HA [space]Icke [space] [space] 10 [space]-300 [space]-8.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 6SX [space] W CA [space]ugur07 [space] 10 [space]-300 [space]-8.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 6SX [space] W CA [space]JohnFran 10 [space]-300 [space]-8.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 6HX [space] E D6 [space]coolcoo [space]10 [space]-300 [space]-8.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 5S [space] [space]W HA [space]quico [space] [space] 9 [space]-100 [space]-4.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 5D [space] [space]E C2 [space]mpeker [space] [space]9 [space]-100 [space]-4.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 5S [space] [space]W DT [space]tinouch [space]10 [space] -50 [space]-4.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 5H [space] [space]E D7 [space]K 2 [space] [space] [space]10 [space] -50 [space]-4.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 4H [space] [space]E D8 [space]pinio_dk 11 [space] 450 [space] 5.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 4S [space] [space]W DT [space]hspemm [space] 11 [space] 450 [space] 5.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 5S [space] [space]W DT [space]flipa [space] [space]11 [space] 450 [space] 5.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 5H [space] [space]E D8 [space]JNiaz [space] [space]12 [space] 480 [space] 6.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 5H [space] [space]E D8 [space]maxxxs [space] 12 [space] 480 [space] 6.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 5S [space] [space]W DT [space]Chivas12 12 [space] 480 [space] 6.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 5S [space] [space]W DT [space]evesham [space]12 [space] 480 [space] 6.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 4HX [space] E D6 [space]gsaintmax10 [space] 590 [space] 8.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]


IMP-48 [space] [space] [space]de groo [space] [space] Dlr: West [space]
Board 46522 S K983 [space] [space] [space]Vul: N-S
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H KQ853 [space] [space] 
drmekici [space] [space]D Q5 [space] [space] [space] [space]onec [space] [space] [space] [space]
S Q2 [space] [space] [space] [space]C K7 [space] [space] [space] [space]S T54 [space] [space] [space] 
H AT [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H 976 [space] [space] [space] 
D A8432 [space] [space] rusec [space] [space] [space] D KJ9 [space] [space] [space] 
C A942 [space] [space] [space]S AJ76 [space] [space] [space]C QJ85 [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H J42 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D T76 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C T63 [space] [space] [space] 

2S is enough again, all agree. 
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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 1N [space] [space]E D2 [space]rusec [space] [space] 4 [space]-150 [space]-6.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 3C [space] [space]S DQ [space]ceylin [space] 10 [space]-130 [space]-5.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 3H [space] [space]W DK [space]afio [space] [space] [space]7 [space]-100 [space]-4.80 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 1N [space] [space]S S3 [space]Calon 64 [space]7 [space] -90 [space]-4.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 4C [space] [space]N H2 [space]avalon 7 [space]9 [space] 100 [space] 0.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 3N [space] [space]S H3 [space]Miklagaard8 [space] 100 [space] 0.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 2H [space] [space]W H6 [space]ebe65 [space] [space] 8 [space] 110 [space] 0.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 2H [space] [space]W D9 [space]weedy [space] [space] 8 [space] 110 [space] 0.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 2H [space] [space]W H6 [space]wicht [space] [space] 8 [space] 110 [space] 0.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 2H [space] [space]W C5 [space]ober [space] [space] [space]8 [space] 110 [space] 0.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 2S [space] [space]E C9 [space]aslanbey [space]9 [space] 140 [space] 1.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 2H [space] [space]W DK [space]lorislod [space]9 [space] 140 [space] 1.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 2H [space] [space]W CQ [space]Adnan54 [space] 9 [space] 140 [space] 1.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 2S [space] [space]E HA [space]Monbello 10 [space] 170 [space] 2.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 5CX [space] N H2 [space]KRUMM [space] [space]10 [space] 200 [space] 3.00 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 2SX [space] E HA [space]oakoakoak10 [space] 670 [space]11.47 [space] [space] [space] [space] 

IMP-49 [space] [space] [space]antra [space] [space] [space] Dlr: East [space]
Board 43207 S QT94 [space] [space] [space]Vul: N-S
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H KQT83 [space] [space] 
Tony46 [space] [space] [space]D A5 [space] [space] [space] [space]radiosa [space] [space] 
S K32 [space] [space] [space] C K8 [space] [space] [space] [space]S 8 [space] [space] [space] [space] 
H A6 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H 9752 [space] [space] [space]
D KT9 [space] [space] [space] stefanobia [space]D J8764 [space] [space] 
C AQ942 [space] [space] S AJ765 [space] [space] C J63 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H J4 [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D Q32 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C T75 [space] [space] [space] 

North has nice hand, 29 BEFORE partner bids spades, gets two for spade honors, one for support, this is a maximum 3S raise. Any stronger and I go through 2NT. 
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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 4S [space] [space]W HA [space]stefanobia9 [space] -50 [space]-5.60 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 4S [space] [space]E D4 [space]HarryNL [space] 9 [space] -50 [space]-5.60 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 4S [space] [space]W DT [space]galgalon [space]9 [space] -50 [space]-5.60 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 4S [space] [space]W HA [space]jawak [space] [space] 9 [space] -50 [space]-5.60 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 3S [space] [space]W D9 [space]hodac [space] [space] 9 [space] 140 [space]-0.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 2S [space] [space]W HA [space]kpbaya12 10 [space] 170 [space] 0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 3S [space] [space]W HA [space]pogi9999 10 [space] 170 [space] 0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 2S [space] [space]W D9 [space]sim2005 [space]10 [space] 170 [space] 0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 2S [space] [space]W S2 [space]xyz27 [space] [space]10 [space] 170 [space] 0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 2S [space] [space]W HA [space]vasy [space] [space] 10 [space] 170 [space] 0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 3S [space] [space]W HA [space]piefret [space]10 [space] 170 [space] 0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 2S [space] [space]W HA [space]patrick2410 [space] 170 [space] 0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 2S [space] [space]W DT [space]Marydee [space]10 [space] 170 [space] 0.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 4S [space] [space]W HA [space]minnie1 [space]10 [space] 420 [space] 6.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 4S [space] [space]W D9 [space]merly [space] [space]10 [space] 420 [space] 6.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 2N [space] [space]N H8 [space]ahyar [space] [space] 3 [space] 500 [space] 8.00 [space] [space] [space] [space] 

IMP-49 [space] [space] [space]grapador [space] [space]Dlr: South 
Board 39312 S AK54 [space] [space] [space]Vul: E-W
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H KJ874 [space] [space] 
pancha [space] [space] [space]D 94 [space] [space] [space] [space]bompi [space] [space] [space] 
S 86 [space] [space] [space] [space]C 32 [space] [space] [space] [space]S J3 [space] [space] [space] [space]
H 963 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] H A2 [space] [space] [space] [space]
D 753 [space] [space] [space] talgo [space] [space] [space] D Q82 [space] [space] [space] 
C AKJ84 [space] [space] S QT972 [space] [space] C QT9765 [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H QT5 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D AKJT6 [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] 

This one climbs to 30 ZARS in support of spades (11 hcp, 4 control, 12 distributional, two for AK of spades in support, and one for the two doubletons (again, some add two for that). This is 30 ZARS. Makes slam sort of easy to bid? 

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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 6S [space] [space]N CA [space]talgo [space] [space]12 [space] 980 [space] 9.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 6H [space] [space]S CT [space]cormorant12 [space] 980 [space] 9.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 6S [space] [space]N CK [space]0111111 [space]12 [space] 980 [space] 9.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 5SX [space] N CA [space]julio [space] [space]12 [space] 750 [space] 4.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 4S [space] [space]N CA [space]jym [space] [space] [space]12 [space] 480 [space]-2.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 4H [space] [space]S SJ [space]crazycube12 [space] 480 [space]-2.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 5S [space] [space]N CA [space]mnc150 [space] 12 [space] 480 [space]-2.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 5S [space] [space]N CK [space]drouot [space] 12 [space] 480 [space]-2.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 4S [space] [space]N CA [space]tumtrah [space]12 [space] 480 [space]-2.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 4S [space] [space]N CA [space]sanpas [space] 12 [space] 480 [space]-2.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 4S [space] [space]N CK [space]Gabry76 [space]12 [space] 480 [space]-2.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 5S [space] [space]S CT [space]cengiz10112 [space] 480 [space]-2.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 4S [space] [space]N CA [space]bridge_ve12 [space] 480 [space]-2.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 4S [space] [space]N CA [space]alpharus 12 [space] 480 [space]-2.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 4S [space] [space]N CA [space]sarik [space] [space]11 [space] 450 [space]-3.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 4H [space] [space]S SJ [space]Susyl [space] [space]11 [space] 450 [space]-3.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] 

IMP-49 [space] [space] [space]Gadea [space] [space] [space] Dlr: South 
Board 12182 S AJ73 [space] [space] [space]Vul: None
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H KJT52 [space] [space] 
vali53 [space] [space] [space]D K5 [space] [space] [space] [space]bridgefan4 [space]
S 96 [space] [space] [space] [space]C J7 [space] [space] [space] [space]S T54 [space] [space] [space] 
H A843 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H 97 [space] [space] [space] [space]
D AJ9 [space] [space] [space] Mar33 [space] [space] [space] D QT86 [space] [space] [space]
C Q532 [space] [space] [space]S KQ82 [space] [space] [space]C T986 [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H Q6 [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D 7432 [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C AK4 [space] [space] [space] 

12 distributional, 13 hcp (CJ = 0), 4 Control = 29 ZARS. When partner bids spades, you get up valuation of 3. [space]This is a 3S rebid. Missing two aces, slam is easliy avoided. 

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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 4SX [space] N D9 [space]Mar33 [space] [space]12 [space] 790 [space] 8.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 4S [space] [space]N S9 [space]wyz33221112 [space] 480 [space] 0.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 3N [space] [space]N H3 [space]Carol77 [space]11 [space] 460 [space]-0.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 5S [space] [space]N S9 [space]funfellow11 [space] 450 [space]-0.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 4S [space] [space]N C2 [space]vsomb [space] [space]11 [space] 450 [space]-0.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 4S [space] [space]N D9 [space]milu3333 11 [space] 450 [space]-0.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 4S [space] [space]N C2 [space]Jodla [space] [space]11 [space] 450 [space]-0.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 4S [space] [space]N S6 [space]TRAKS [space] [space]11 [space] 450 [space]-0.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 4S [space] [space]N C2 [space]Gracefric11 [space] 450 [space]-0.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 4S [space] [space]N S6 [space]alveris [space]11 [space] 450 [space]-0.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 4S [space] [space]N DA [space]cater6 [space] 11 [space] 450 [space]-0.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 4S [space] [space]N C5 [space]jeanmiche11 [space] 450 [space]-0.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 4S [space] [space]S D8 [space]hmchaterj11 [space] 450 [space]-0.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 4S [space] [space]N C2 [space]entoinett11 [space] 450 [space]-0.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 4S [space] [space]N S9 [space]bennur [space] 10 [space] 420 [space]-1.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 1N [space] [space]N C3 [space]apsimo [space] 10 [space] 180 [space]-7.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] 

IMP-42 [space] [space] [space]viking1 [space] [space] Dlr: North 
Board 8948 [space]S 8 [space] [space] [space] [space] Vul: N-S
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H QT542 [space] [space] 
solbakken [space] D J863 [space] [space] [space]pakel30 [space] [space] 
S K543 [space] [space] [space]C AJ3 [space] [space] [space] S AT96 [space] [space] [space]
H 6 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] H KJ983 [space] [space] 
D KQ9 [space] [space] [space] denny73 [space] [space] D A7 [space] [space] [space] [space]
C 98742 [space] [space] S QJ72 [space] [space] [space]C QT [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H A7 [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D T542 [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C K65 [space] [space] [space] 

Bidding here is EW.. East opens Club queen discounted. Has 12 hcp, 5 control, 12 dist. = 29 again. When partner bids spade, he up evaluates +3, easy 3S. West, knowing partner is 29 to 32 ZARS gets no distibutional fit points and may well pass being not vul at imps. He has 8 hcp, 2 control, 13 distributional = 23. 23+29 = 52, the minimum, but he might worry about his diamond KQ being useful on this auction. Clearly a 2S rebid gets to a better contract. 

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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 3DX [space] E H6 [space]denny73 [space] 7 [space]-300 [space]-7.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 3DX [space] W DA [space]all ways [space]7 [space]-300 [space]-7.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 3S [space] [space]S S8 [space]Tor Magne10 [space]-170 [space]-4.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 2S [space] [space]S H2 [space]wiwi4 [space] [space] 9 [space]-140 [space]-3.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 2S [space] [space]S D6 [space]1964CHAMP 9 [space]-140 [space]-3.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 2S [space] [space]S D6 [space]michele14 8 [space]-110 [space]-2.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 1H [space] [space]N S2 [space]mechta [space] [space]8 [space]-110 [space]-2.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 2S [space] [space]S H2 [space]nevaeh [space] [space]8 [space]-110 [space]-2.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 1N [space] [space]S H4 [space]Meteor [space] [space]7 [space] -90 [space]-2.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 1N [space] [space]S D3 [space]ania00 [space] [space]6 [space] 100 [space] 2.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 4S [space] [space]S CA [space]tudor g [space] 8 [space] 200 [space] 4.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 4S [space] [space]N HA [space]arva8 [space] [space] 8 [space] 200 [space] 4.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 4S [space] [space]S H4 [space]titi15 [space] [space]8 [space] 200 [space] 4.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 2S [space] [space]S H2 [space]lighthouse6 [space] 200 [space] 4.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 3S [space] [space]S D8 [space]SLB42 [space] [space] 6 [space] 300 [space] 6.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 4S [space] [space]S D6 [space]mgchat [space] [space]6 [space] 400 [space] 8.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]

IMP-50 [space] [space] [space]ashersh [space] [space] Dlr: West [space]
Board 51376 S KJ82 [space] [space] [space]Vul: E-W
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H K8542 [space] [space] 
belleter [space] [space]D J [space] [space] [space] [space] erthwndfir [space]
S Q6 [space] [space] [space] [space]C AK9 [space] [space] [space] S 73 [space] [space] [space] [space]
H T [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] H A963 [space] [space] [space]
D AQT874 [space] [space]jay_jay246 [space]D K92 [space] [space] [space] 
C T732 [space] [space] [space]S AT954 [space] [space] C QJ84 [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H QJ7 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D 653 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C 65 [space] [space] [space] [space]

Way too good for a 3S rebid, goes through 2NT. Game will be reached. 
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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 5SX [space] E HT [space]jay_jay2410 [space]-200 [space]-9.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 5S [space] [space]E HT [space]ennet [space] [space] 9 [space]-200 [space]-9.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 5H [space] [space]W DK [space]BOCASECA [space]9 [space]-200 [space]-9.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 3S [space] [space]E HT [space]dmer20 [space] [space]9 [space] 140 [space]-4.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 2H [space] [space]W CQ [space]usp22 [space] [space] 9 [space] 140 [space]-4.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 2S [space] [space]W S7 [space]aaaanakra11 [space] 200 [space]-3.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 3S [space] [space]W DK [space]orasmusse11 [space] 200 [space]-3.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 5DX [space] S CK [space]Diane Gmur9 [space] 300 [space]-1.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 5DX [space] S CK [space]Parsa [space] [space] 8 [space] 500 [space] 2.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 4H [space] [space]W S7 [space]peann [space] [space]10 [space] 620 [space] 5.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 4H [space] [space]W S7 [space]dany17 [space] 10 [space] 620 [space] 5.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 4H [space] [space]W S7 [space]pinzimoni10 [space] 620 [space] 5.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 4H [space] [space]W S7 [space]CipciRypc10 [space] 620 [space] 5.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 4S [space] [space]W CQ [space]TYtiti [space] 11 [space] 650 [space] 6.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 4S [space] [space]E HT [space]goodgame411 [space] 650 [space] 6.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 4SX [space] E HT [space]Hummer_ [space]10 [space] 790 [space] 8.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]

IMP-43 [space] [space] [space]sercaz [space] [space] [space]Dlr: North 
Board 10222 S K952 [space] [space] [space]Vul: E-W
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H K9532 [space] [space] 
cesco37 [space] [space] D AK2 [space] [space] [space] bibetto [space] [space] 
S 8 [space] [space] [space] [space] C 9 [space] [space] [space] [space] S T63 [space] [space] [space] 
H QJ74 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H T86 [space] [space] [space] 
D QJ986 [space] [space] puppet_stm [space]D 7 [space] [space] [space] [space] 
C T63 [space] [space] [space] S AQJ74 [space] [space] C AKQJ75 [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H A [space] [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D T543 [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C 842 [space] [space] [space] 

Agaim. North is too good for 3S. [space]After a 2NT raise (better than 32 ZARS) you are clearly in the slam zone and I suspect 6S will be bid. 
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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 6S [space] [space]S DQ [space]puppet_st12 [space] 980 [space]10.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 6S [space] [space]S HJ [space]golpa111 12 [space] 980 [space]10.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 4SX [space] S CT [space]Iranon [space] 10 [space] 590 [space] 3.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 4S [space] [space]S C3 [space]mnh61 [space] [space]12 [space] 480 [space] 0.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 4S [space] [space]S C3 [space]oli500ma 12 [space] 480 [space] 0.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 4S [space] [space]S C3 [space]pwtv156 [space]12 [space] 480 [space] 0.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 4S [space] [space]S CT [space]wilddog [space]12 [space] 480 [space] 0.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 4S [space] [space]S C3 [space]0755mm [space] 12 [space] 480 [space] 0.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 4S [space] [space]S C3 [space]rona_ [space] [space]12 [space] 480 [space] 0.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 4S [space] [space]S C3 [space]cemo01 [space] 11 [space] 450 [space]-0.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 4S [space] [space]S C6 [space]OTUG [space] [space] 11 [space] 450 [space]-0.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 4S [space] [space]S C3 [space]youmin [space] 11 [space] 450 [space]-0.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 4S [space] [space]S C3 [space]INPUT [space] [space]10 [space] 420 [space]-1.47 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 4S [space] [space]S C3 [space]josia 1 [space]10 [space] 420 [space]-1.47 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 4S [space] [space]S CT [space]8754 [space] [space] [space]9 [space] -50 -10.60 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 4S [space] [space]S CT [space]bearskin399 [space] -50 -10.60 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
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IMP-51 [space] [space] [space]shoshi1 [space] [space] Dlr: East [space]
Board 25604 S AQJ84 [space] [space] Vul: None
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H A83 [space] [space] [space] 
TMSr [space] [space] [space] [space]D 3 [space] [space] [space] [space] Marisha [space] [space] 
S 5 [space] [space] [space] [space] C AT53 [space] [space] [space]S 762 [space] [space] [space] 
H K72 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] H T6 [space] [space] [space] [space]
D AT8754 [space] [space]SOFiC [space] [space] [space] D QJ6 [space] [space] [space] 
C 974 [space] [space] [space] S KT93 [space] [space] [space]C QJ862 [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H QJ954 [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D K92 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C K [space] [space] [space] [space] 

Assuming you open with south, 2S rebid is enough. Open or not depends on if [space]you assign any zar points to stiff king. If 0 pts, then no, if some points, then yes. 

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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 4H [space] [space]E S5 [space]SOFiC [space] [space] 9 [space] -50 -11.60 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 6S [space] [space]W DQ [space]mario45 [space]11 [space] -50 -11.60 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 4S [space] [space]W HT [space]anicash [space]10 [space] 420 [space]-4.47 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 4S [space] [space]W DQ [space]debousset12 [space] 480 [space]-3.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 4H [space] [space]E S5 [space]newton53 12 [space] 480 [space]-3.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 4S [space] [space]W DQ [space]FW34 [space] [space] 12 [space] 480 [space]-3.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 5S [space] [space]W DQ [space]mark48 [space] 12 [space] 480 [space]-3.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 4S [space] [space]W C6 [space]as_pirin 13 [space] 510 [space]-2.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 4S [space] [space]W C6 [space]Bigfish6913 [space] 510 [space]-2.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 5S [space] [space]W CQ [space]tobytub [space]13 [space] 510 [space]-2.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 6H [space] [space]E DA [space]arizu26 [space]12 [space] 980 [space] 6.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 6H [space] [space]E DA [space]Mandiyu [space]12 [space] 980 [space] 6.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 6S [space] [space]W DQ [space]Boyler [space] 12 [space] 980 [space] 6.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 6S [space] [space]W DQ [space]elran [space] [space]12 [space] 980 [space] 6.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 6S [space] [space]W C6 [space]gamanian 12 [space] 980 [space] 6.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 6SXX [space]W DQ [space]Olakhota 12 [space]1620 [space]14.27 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]

IMP-44 [space] [space] [space]kman1us [space] [space] Dlr: North 
Board 51217 S J864 [space] [space] [space]Vul: N-S
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H AQ [space] [space] [space] [space]
metust [space] [space] [space]D K2 [space] [space] [space] [space]zhenzhen [space] [space]
S 932 [space] [space] [space] C AKQ93 [space] [space] S T5 [space] [space] [space] [space]
H KT9 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] H 743 [space] [space] [space] 
D 98765 [space] [space] gexia [space] [space] [space] D QT4 [space] [space] [space] 
C JT [space] [space] [space] [space]S AKQ7 [space] [space] [space]C 87542 [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H J8652 [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D AJ3 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C 6 [space] [space] [space] [space] 

South 15 hcp, 5 control pts, 13 distributional points, 2 points for x club, 2 points for spade honors, comes to 37, much, much too strong for 3S. This one goest through 2NT. Grand slam is a possibility now, and small slam certain. 
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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 7NXX [space]N D9 [space]gexia [space] [space]13 [space]2980 [space]16.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 7N [space] [space]N CJ [space]iraghu [space] 13 [space]2220 [space]10.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 7S [space] [space]N D9 [space]Narr [space] [space] 13 [space]2210 [space]10.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 6N [space] [space]S ST [space]twop2 [space] [space]13 [space]1470 [space]-0.80 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 6N [space] [space]S H7 [space]hcl [space] [space] [space]13 [space]1470 [space]-0.80 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 6N [space] [space]S C8 [space]lleila [space] 13 [space]1470 [space]-0.80 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 6S [space] [space]N CJ [space]gyuri e [space]13 [space]1460 [space]-0.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 6S [space] [space]N D9 [space]Truffels 13 [space]1460 [space]-0.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 6S [space] [space]S C8 [space]PeterOgs 13 [space]1460 [space]-0.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 6S [space] [space]S ST [space]arildi [space] 13 [space]1460 [space]-0.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 6S [space] [space]N CJ [space]tankdrive12 [space]1430 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 6H [space] [space]N D9 [space]boty [space] [space] 12 [space]1430 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 6H [space] [space]N CJ [space]matei [space] [space]12 [space]1430 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 6S [space] [space]N D9 [space]mevil666 12 [space]1430 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 3N [space] [space]N D9 [space]bible [space] [space]13 [space] 720 -12.47 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 3N [space] [space]S C4 [space]em_lala [space]12 [space] 690 -12.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] 
IMP-42 [space] [space] [space]eren11 [space] [space] [space]Dlr: East [space]


Board 59023 S AQ75 [space] [space] [space]Vul: Both
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H J8643 [space] [space] 
gjules [space] [space] [space]D K [space] [space] [space] [space] luz2003 [space] [space] 
S 2 [space] [space] [space] [space] C A73 [space] [space] [space] S T864 [space] [space] [space]
H AK [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H QT975 [space] [space] 
D AQJ98654 [space]giancard [space] [space]D 2 [space] [space] [space] [space] 
C 84 [space] [space] [space] [space]S KJ93 [space] [space] [space]C Q96 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H 2 [space] [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D T73 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C KJT52 [space]

West will not keep quiet, but if he did, north has 2S rebid. 
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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 5SX [space] W HA [space]giancard [space]7 -1100 -14.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 4DX [space] N H3 [space]lirica O610 [space]-710 -11.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 5D [space] [space]N SA [space]h berry [space]11 [space]-600 [space]-9.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 4S [space] [space]W HA [space]gozmo [space] [space] 8 [space]-200 [space]-3.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 3D [space] [space]N SA [space]MARKU4A [space]10 [space]-130 [space]-2.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 4D [space] [space]N SA [space]Marian55 10 [space]-130 [space]-2.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 3D [space] [space]N H3 [space]pancia [space] 10 [space]-130 [space]-2.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 5S [space] [space]W HA [space]patna7 [space] 10 [space]-100 [space]-2.07 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 5DX [space] N SA [space]aquila48 10 [space] 200 [space] 3.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 5DX [space] N DK [space]popich [space] 10 [space] 200 [space] 3.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 5DX [space] N SA [space]tefo53 [space] 10 [space] 200 [space] 3.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 5DX [space] N SA [space]peterh [space] 10 [space] 200 [space] 3.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 5DX [space] N SA [space]lachin34 10 [space] 200 [space] 3.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 5DX [space] N CA [space]yoav2005 [space]9 [space] 500 [space] 8.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 6DX [space] N CA [space]degose [space] 10 [space] 500 [space] 8.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 5DXX [space]N SA [space]zehava_3 [space]9 [space]1000 [space]14.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]

IMP-42 [space] [space] [space]12GAUGE [space] [space] Dlr: West [space]
Board 62580 S KQ82 [space] [space] [space]Vul: None
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H J8432 [space] [space] 
ytaktai [space] [space] D A [space] [space] [space] [space] Doug J [space] [space] [space]
S T9 [space] [space] [space] [space]C KQ6 [space] [space] [space] S J3 [space] [space] [space] [space]
H Q975 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H AKT6 [space] [space] [space]
D J93 [space] [space] [space] haoziranny [space]D T84 [space] [space] [space] 
C T983 [space] [space] [space]S A7654 [space] [space] C A742 [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D KQ7652 [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C J5 [space] [space] [space] [space]

North has 15 hcp, 4 control, 13 distributional and 4 fit points (two for spades, two for singleton). Way too much for 3S. 

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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 4S [space] [space]E H5 [space]haozirann12 [space] 480 [space]-1.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 4S [space] [space]W DT [space]loubar [space] 12 [space] 480 [space]-1.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 4S [space] [space]E CT [space]hindasir 12 [space] 480 [space]-1.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 4S [space] [space]E CT [space]Mitke [space] [space]12 [space] 480 [space]-1.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 4S [space] [space]E CT [space]kliebeck212 [space] 480 [space]-1.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 4S [space] [space]E CT [space]gao9898 [space]12 [space] 480 [space]-1.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 4S [space] [space]E C3 [space]clydesbab12 [space] 480 [space]-1.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 4S [space] [space]E ST [space]dervish [space]12 [space] 480 [space]-1.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 4S [space] [space]E CT [space]pool518 [space]12 [space] 480 [space]-1.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 4S [space] [space]W SJ [space]Matuca [space] 12 [space] 480 [space]-1.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 4S [space] [space]E ST [space]DRfinest013 [space] 510 [space]-0.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 5S [space] [space]E ST [space]starfrog 13 [space] 510 [space]-0.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 4S [space] [space]E CT [space]LuboML [space] 13 [space] 510 [space]-0.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 4S [space] [space]W HA [space]ibur [space] [space] 13 [space] 510 [space]-0.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 4S [space] [space]E ST [space]sundal [space] 13 [space] 510 [space]-0.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 6SX [space] E H5 [space]malulani 12 [space]1210 [space]12.00 [space] [space] [space] [space] 

IMP-46 [space] [space] [space]kuyuk [space] [space] [space] Dlr: East [space]
Board 42913 S AQ876 [space] [space] Vul: E-W
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] 
cacjm [space] [space] [space] D 98 [space] [space] [space] [space]angele l [space] [space]
S 43 [space] [space] [space] [space]C QT9843 [space] [space]S T9 [space] [space] [space] [space]
H Q9643 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] H AK8 [space] [space] [space] 
D Q642 [space] [space] [space]mali 579 [space] [space]D JT75 [space] [space] [space]
C AJ [space] [space] [space] [space]S KJ52 [space] [space] [space]C K765 [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H JT752 [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D AK3 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C 2 [space] [space] [space] [space] 

Here is one with a jump rebid of 3S on 12 hcp, but also 4 fit points, 4 control points, and 13 distibutional points. It could also go through 2NT, but the weak long suit is a minus factor. 
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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 3N [space] [space]E D2 [space]mali 579 [space]7 [space]-200 -10.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 3N [space] [space]E H4 [space]cap428 [space] [space]7 [space]-200 -10.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 4S [space] [space]W C5 [space]evelyne 689 [space]-100 [space]-9.47 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 3S [space] [space]W ST [space]sara gr [space] 9 [space] 140 [space]-5.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 3S [space] [space]W ST [space]miguelx [space]11 [space] 200 [space]-4.53 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 2S [space] [space]W HA [space]Tavi29 [space] 12 [space] 230 [space]-3.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 3S [space] [space]W DJ [space]jack73 [space] 12 [space] 230 [space]-3.93 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 4S [space] [space]W D5 [space]julie996 10 [space] 620 [space] 3.47 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 4S [space] [space]W HK [space]lewapwj [space]10 [space] 620 [space] 3.47 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 4S [space] [space]W HA [space]RenziC [space] 11 [space] 650 [space] 4.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 4S [space] [space]E D2 [space]meg 24 [space] 11 [space] 650 [space] 4.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 4S [space] [space]W ST [space]yorgun [space] 12 [space] 680 [space] 4.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 4S [space] [space]W DJ [space]hotcup [space] 12 [space] 680 [space] 4.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 4S [space] [space]W ST [space]poseidon612 [space] 680 [space] 4.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 4S [space] [space]W C5 [space]atees [space] [space]12 [space] 680 [space] 4.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 2SX [space] W DJ [space]ersoy_ [space] 12 [space]1470 [space]14.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]

Board 61186 S AKQ5 [space] [space] [space]Vul: E-W
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H T7643 [space] [space] 
belsize [space] [space] D 8 [space] [space] [space] [space] clstabler [space] 
S 7 [space] [space] [space] [space] C Q76 [space] [space] [space] S 843 [space] [space] [space] 
H Q2 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H KJ85 [space] [space] [space]
D KJ96 [space] [space] [space]werne [space] [space] [space] D QT743 [space] [space] 
C KJT852 [space] [space]S JT962 [space] [space] C 9 [space] [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H A9 [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D A52 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C A43 [space] [space] [space] 

This is one I might rebid only 2S on, discounting the club queen due to the very weak hearts. With the discount, there is 11 hcp, 3 control pts, 13 distributional pts, and with fit, 4 more, 31 points. Fullyl discount the club queen and it is "not worthy bidding up", but it is worth something. 

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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 4S [space] [space]W CJ [space]werne [space] [space] 8 [space]-200 -12.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 3S [space] [space]W CT [space]CipciRypc10 [space] 170 [space]-7.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 3S [space] [space]W D6 [space]maryross 11 [space] 200 [space]-7.40 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 5DX [space] S S2 [space]matei [space] [space] 9 [space] 300 [space]-5.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 4S [space] [space]W S7 [space]mrss [space] [space] 10 [space] 620 [space] 2.00 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 4S [space] [space]W HQ [space]pt48 [space] [space] 10 [space] 620 [space] 2.00 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 4S [space] [space]W CJ [space]quidonque11 [space] 650 [space] 2.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 4S [space] [space]W S7 [space]omar6633 11 [space] 650 [space] 2.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 4S [space] [space]W CT [space]alibahadu11 [space] 650 [space] 2.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 4S [space] [space]W S7 [space]fajain [space] 11 [space] 650 [space] 2.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 4S [space] [space]W HQ [space]Freeway2 11 [space] 650 [space] 2.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 4S [space] [space]W C5 [space]rilla [space] [space]11 [space] 650 [space] 2.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 4S [space] [space]W S7 [space]Ats31 [space] [space]11 [space] 650 [space] 2.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 4S [space] [space]W CJ [space]ylra [space] [space] 11 [space] 650 [space] 2.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 4S [space] [space]W CJ [space]adimarxx 11 [space] 650 [space] 2.87 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 4S [space] [space]W CJ [space]gatua64 [space]11 [space] 650 [space] 2.87 [space] [space] 

MP-40 [space] [space] [space]whidbey [space] [space] Dlr: South 
Board 62391 S AKT3 [space] [space] [space]Vul: E-W
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H 98743 [space] [space] 
grzegorzw [space] D 5 [space] [space] [space] [space] alivik [space] [space] [space]
S Q [space] [space] [space] [space] C A62 [space] [space] [space] S 82 [space] [space] [space] [space]
H 62 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H AQT [space] [space] [space] 
D KQ87643 [space] Red Ryder [space] D T92 [space] [space] [space] 
C 953 [space] [space] [space] S J97654 [space] [space]C QT874 [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]H KJ5 [space] [space] [space] 
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]D AJ [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]C KJ [space] [space] [space] [space]

Easy 3S rebid. 

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 [space]# Contr [space] Ld [space]Decl [space] [space] Tr [space]Score [space] Pts
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 [space]1 6SX [space] N DK [space]Red Ryder12 [space]1210 [space]11.13 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]2 6DX [space] E CA [space]alpha0999 8 [space]1100 [space]10.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]3 5CX [space] W DA [space]shaash [space] [space]7 [space]1100 [space]10.33 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]4 4S [space] [space]N DK [space]sbkothava12 [space] 480 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]5 4S [space] [space]N C3 [space]hnmt [space] [space] 12 [space] 480 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]6 4S [space] [space]N C9 [space]micah [space] [space]12 [space] 480 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]7 4S [space] [space]N DK [space]marel_22212 [space] 480 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]8 4S [space] [space]N DK [space]ISOTALO [space]12 [space] 480 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 [space]9 4S [space] [space]N DK [space]mankapur112 [space] 480 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 10 4S [space] [space]N DK [space]Chickenma12 [space] 480 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 11 4S [space] [space]S CT [space]Steffbana12 [space] 480 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 12 5S [space] [space]N DK [space]jillian [space]12 [space] 480 [space]-1.73 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 13 4H [space] [space]S S8 [space]gmeister 11 [space] 450 [space]-2.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 14 4S [space] [space]N DK [space]BarbaraTo11 [space] 450 [space]-2.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 15 4S [space] [space]N DK [space]RICKEY1 [space]11 [space] 450 [space]-2.67 [space] [space] [space] [space] [space]
 16 3S [space] [space]N DK [space]winalex [space]11 [space] 200 [space]-8.20 [space] [space] [space] [space] 

[Walddk]

awm, on Jul 10 2006, 06:22 PM, said:

The relay helps on the slam hands, but I'm not sure how you get to the right spot when responder holds only a game-invitational hand and opener has three trumps. Seems like you're stuck playing either 3NT on light values or 3♠ on a 4-3 fit and two balanced hands......

Why two balanced hands? There is a valid reason if opener decides to raise with only 3 cards. The most likely pattern is 5431, and then the 4-3 fit often plays better than notrump.

Most 5332 hands will rebid 1NT and then responder can check back from there.

Playing the relay (2♠ after a heart raise), responder kan find out about shortage if opener shows 3-card support and minimum. The important thing to remember is that you don't open balanced 11 counts and you don't invite with thrash.

Roland

[awm]

Hmm so what's the ZAR point range for a 2♠ raise?

It seems like the minimum shouldn't start at 26 or so anymore. After all, you presumably wouldn't open with less than 25-26 before counting for fit. Looking at the example hands, even the ones that you bid 2♠ on seem to be 28-29 ZAR (i.e. right on the threshold of 3♠) and these generally have a fair amount of wastage in the doubletons.

Seems reasonable to me to tone things down a bit and let the jump promise a bit more. This would be especially true without the 2NT raise (since your only stronger option than the jump involves forcing to game).

It's also worth a mention that your jumps to 3♠ on very minimum openings with four card support are somewhat protected by the knowledge that partner has five spades in your methods. Even if you reach an awful contract opposite a dead minimum partner, you have LOTT protection and are probably sacrificing against something. This level of aggression in raising opposite a 1♠ bid that could be four will get you too high substantially more often.

[awm]

In response to Roland:

Axx
AKJxx
xx
xxx

Maybe when you open 1♥ and partner bids 1♠ (natural) you rebid 1NT on this hand, but you'll never convince me this is right. In fact I am surprised, since you seemed to be in favor of frequent three-card raises after minor suit openings and I can't see why the same shouldn't apply to 1♥.

Even assuming a singleton is required, where do you want to be on these two hands:

Axx
KQxxx
KJxx
x

Jxxx
Ax
Qxx
KJxx

Probably 2♠ will be okay, although even that isn't 100% clear. But the south hand is probably worth a game try, especially given that you don't raise to 3♠ as aggressively as Ben does. I think 2NT is playable, but I wouldn't want to be in 3♠ after a declined game try and 3NT seems a bit overboard doesn't it?

Perhaps you're more comfortable with 4-3 fits than I, but usually I've found that playing a 4-3 fit at the 3-level with 23-24 hcp isn't the best result. Your mileage may vary.

[Walddk]

I don't have a problem with 4-3 fits at the 2 and 3-level, but I also know that many dislike it. As to your example hand: sure, notrump plays better, but you know as well as I that you can create hands that work better for whichever method you prefer.

Jxxx
Ax
Qxxx
Axx

Now you want to play in spades all of a sudden.

As I said in my first post, the actual opening hand is a little too good for 2♠. It qualifies for 3♠ in my book, and accordingly it's not at all obvious that you want to invite opposite a minimum - especially not non vulnerable.

Roland

[inquiry]

awm, on Jul 10 2006, 12:22 PM, said:

Hmm so what's the ZAR point range for a 2♠ raise?

It seems like the minimum shouldn't start at 26 or so anymore. After all, you presumably wouldn't open with less than 25-26 before counting for fit. Looking at the example hands, even the ones that you bid 2♠ on seem to be 28-29 ZAR (i.e. right on the threshold of 3♠) and these generally have a fair amount of wastage in the doubletons.

Seems reasonable to me to tone things down a bit and let the jump promise a bit more. This would be especially true without the 2NT raise (since your only stronger option than the jump involves forcing to game).

It's also worth a mention that your jumps to 3♠ on very minimum openings with four card support are somewhat protected by the knowledge that partner has five spades in your methods. Even if you reach an awful contract opposite a dead minimum partner, you have LOTT protection and are probably sacrificing against something. This level of aggression in raising opposite a 1♠ bid that could be four will get you too high substantially more often.

Well, don't blame ZAR for this method, this is my own doing...

As I said in the preamble to richard, I play kaplain inversion, so the bidding would be quite different on 1H-1S than shown, simply because responder has not promised any spades at all. On the ones were responder has 5S, just change the 1S response to 1NT and the bidding goes as shown from there.

Using 29 as dividing line (good versus bad), almost always gives a 3S raise if partner bids 1S due to the fit (there are examples, however where it doesnt). But there is also an important thing to bear in mind.. the biddign to this point is both opponents have passed at least once. The lighter you are with a fit, the more partner will have or else surely someone would have bid something. And if not, your 3S bid may steal their hand right out from underneath them (this has happened for me).

Of course, you could adjust the range up if good 29 is too risky for you. Make it a good 30 or a good 31 (as I said in an earlier post to richard). But richard was correct, you want to keep the range narrow, because over 3S, partner has to decide "Game or No Game"... the wider the range, the more often he will get it wrong.

And as for the level of protection, you are correct over 1NT to 1H, I am much more protected. But I bid with exactly the same scheme after 1m-1M (either major). Here partner only has 4. But this means, almost all the balanced junk goes to 2M, and all the jumps are distributional with support (else open 1NT). Let me also add, I open some pretty ratty hands 1C or 1D with shape, so I need to have a very discouraging simple raise available... :-)