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I've seen it more and more these days: people play RKCB with answers as follows:
5C = 1 or 4 kc (in stead of 0 or 3)
5D = 0 or 3 kc (in stead of 1 or 4)
5H = 2 kc without trump Q
5S = 2 kc with trump Q

1. What are the big advantages about this aproach?
2. What are the disadvantages?
3. Does anybody play it? Why or why not?


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[inquiry]

To really blow your mind, take a read of kantar's excellent 20+ chapters on RKCB. In particular the discussion of Strong Hand/Weak Hand responses to RKBC, where the response flip back and forth from 14, 03 to 03, 14 to see advantages of each and when one is superior to the other.

http://www.kantarbridge.com/rkb.htm

[Free]

I didn't know anyone could write 23 chapters about RKC!!! tnx Ben

[luke warm]

kantar does say (i think) that if you use only one, 1430 is the one to use.. also, fred wrote some 2/1 articles on bbo and in one he said something about 1430 being surerior, and said he'd write more on the subject when he had time.. not sure if he has yet

[twcho]

The logic behind is simple:
Since the third step response and above are the same, the only difference is the first two steps. Which response you will be more interested in for slam, 1 KC or 0 KC? Of course, 1 KC and you will like to have more space to explore so it is better for responding 1/4 to the 1st step. (If responder has 3 or 4 KC, he will automatically continue the bidding regardless of pd signing off assuming he is not a super strong hand which 3KC should be a minimum)

[mishovnbg]

Hi Frederick!
Only one real advantage - can ask for QHE below 5HE on trump HE with 1CK. Bridge lose much more due to needing to agree one more thing in such endless metter in my opinon.
Misho

[bhugi]

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Hi Frederick!
Only one real advantage - can ask for QHE below 5HE on trump HE with 1CK. Bridge lose much more due to needing to agree one more thing in such endless metter in my opinon.
Misho

right, so I use 1403 for majors and 0314 for minors ~ ;D
0314 let you have the chance to pass 5C when partner has 0 key cards

[bearmum]

now THAT sounds like a good idea - BUT I hope ypu laert OPPS EVERY time ??

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Hi Frederick!
Only one real advantage - can ask for QHE below 5HE on trump HE with 1CK. Bridge lose much more due to needing to agree one more thing in such endless metter in my opinon.
Misho

right, so I use 1403 for majors and 0314 for minors ~ ;D
0314 let you have the chance to pass 5C when partner has 0 key cards

[Gerben47]

I use 1430, unless the ace asking bid is one below 5 of the asked suit. (I.e. 4NT for clubs, or 5D as exclusion for hearts).

So you're not forced to 6 if partner turns out to have no aces.

[mikestar]

If your are using something as complex as RKCB, you should be using Kickback:

If spades are agreed then 4NT is RKCB;
if hearts are agreed then 4SP is RKCB;
if diamonds, then 4HE;
if clubs, then 4DI;

If the agreed suit is not spades, 4NT substitutes for whatever the RKCB bid would have been: Qbid, splinter, Exclusion RKCB with void in the suit, etc.

This method makes sure you have the same bidding room for all suits--and makes the choice between 1430 and 0314 irrelevant.

[Cascade]

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If your are using something as complex as RKCB, you should be using Kickback:

If spades are agreed then 4NT is RKCB;
if hearts are agreed then 4SP is RKCB;
if diamonds, then 4HE;
if clubs, then 4DI;

If the agreed suit is not spades, 4NT substitutes for whatever the RKCB bid would have been: Qbid, splinter, Exclusion RKCB with void in the suit, etc.

This method makes sure you have the same bidding room for all suits--and makes the choice between 1430 and 0314 irrelevant.

I have not used Blackwood more often or more successfully since switching to kickback rkc.

The only difficulty with kickback is ensuring which suit has been agreed when two suits have been bid.

e.g.

1H 2D
3D 4H Is this kickback for diamonds or jump preference for hearts?

There are many similar sequences that need to be sorted.

Wayne

[the hog]

1H 2D
3D 4H Is this kickback for diamonds or jump preference for hearts?

Surely 4D is kickback for D over 3D, 4C/S cues for H and 4N KC for H?

[Trpltrbl]

Personally I don't think it matters which one y play. As long as y play Minorwood, in which 4 of a minor is RKC for that minor, y will never get in trouble since 4 NT is then only RKC for the majors, and y don't have to be afraid of bypassing the save level of a minor suit contract. ;D[pre][/pre][shadow=red,left][/shadow]

[luke warm]

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1H 2D
3D 4H Is this kickback for diamonds or jump preference for hearts?

Surely 4D is kickback for D over 3D, 4C/S cues for H and 4N KC for H?

playing kickback, 4H in the sequence shown is rkc for diamonds, which is why some play minorwood instead..

[Trpltrbl]

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1H 2D
3D 4H Is this kickback for diamonds or jump preference for hearts?

Surely 4D is kickback for D over 3D, 4C/S cues for H and 4N KC for H?

playing kickback, 4H in the sequence shown is rkc for diamonds, which is why some play minorwood instead..

My sentiment exactly, Kickback get's to confusing. I have decided after playing against some people for a few times that played kickback and always got to wrong slam I better not play Kickback.

Mike ;D