[42]

Hi!
Here is a hand from last weekend where we lost IMPs:

Scoring: IMP

1NT 2♣! P 2♠
P P DBL all pass

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At the other table our teammates played 2NT.
Questions:
1.) Do you agree with bidding 2♣ for both majors here? (I ran 2x into trouble with that during the event, both times with a good hand, as I evaluated it; in the other hand partner was weak with 5♦s + 4♣s, 2-2 in M)
2.) How did you define a direct DBL behind the 2♣ bidder?
3.) What shows the delayed DBL?
4.) What does opener do when his partner had passed?

Thx
Caren

[Gerben42]

1. Agree with 2♣

2. It's our hand and I can double one of their suits.

3. Non-forcing take out double

4. Pass

What was the result on the hand?

[42]

Gerben42, on Apr 5 2006, 12:10 PM, said:

What was the result on the hand?

500 for the others, partner was 2 down...

[helene_t]

42, on Apr 5 2006, 12:00 PM, said:

1.) Do you agree with bidding 2♣ for both majors here? (I ran 2x into trouble with that during the event, both times with a good hand, as I evaluated it; in the other hand partner was weak with 5♦s + 4♣s, 2-2 in M)

2♣ is fine, no doubt.

2.) How did you define a direct DBL behind the 2♣ bidder?
Agree with Gerben but this hand is borderline: if North can respect opener's penalty double of 2♠ he should probably just pass. I think I would pass at imps.

3.) What shows the delayed DBL?
After an initial double it is penalty. After an initial pass it shows whatever kind of doubles you play over direct, natural overcalls.

4.) What does opener do when his partner had passed?

Usually he passes. If he doubles, it is t/o.

[Walddk]

What was the lead?

[42]

The lead was ♥5

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

1) yes, a bit to strong for me, but that is a style
issue / matter of partnership agreement
I would have bid without the Ace of Clubs
2) bal., at least inv.+, interest in a penalty
we play unusual vs. 2-suiter, i.e.
2H => strong with clubs, 2S => strong with
diamonds
3) neg. Dbl
4) Pass

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Walddk]

42, on Apr 5 2006, 11:15 AM, said:

Gerben42, on Apr 5 2006, 12:10 PM, said:

What was the result on the hand?

500 for the others, partner was 2 down...

Any reasonable line would lead to down 1 only and the loss would have been 2 IMPs; not a big deal.

It's not double dummy declarer play to give 1 heart, 2 diamonds, 2 spades and 1 club.

And yes, I agree with 2♣.

Roland

[cherdano]

Walddk, on Apr 5 2006, 02:19 PM, said:

42, on Apr 5 2006, 11:15 AM, said:

Gerben42, on Apr 5 2006, 12:10 PM, said:

What was the result on the hand?

500 for the others, partner was 2 down...

Any reasonable line would lead to down 1 only and the loss would have been 2 IMPs; not a big deal.

It's not double dummy declarer play to give 1 heart, 2 diamonds, 2 spades and 1 club.

Alternatively, if defense switches to trumps when you lose your first heart, there are two heart losers, but only one spade loser (if guessing the 4-1 trump split from the bidding).

[42]

Since it was very hard to play, I took every minute to relax, so I am not really sure about the lead, I will ask my partner and then correct if necessary. He said he was down 2 and could not avoid it, and I didn't care about declarer play here

My questions were related to responder's bidding, and after your responses I have some more:
- When doubling 2♣ shows a penalty DBL for at least 1 M: how strong must responder be? Didn't he have one (for ♥s)?
- Do I understand responder right that he decided to pass first and then bid a t/o DBL because he wanted to take both chances: to DBL any M contract (opener leaves it in with good ♠s, he DBLs the ♥s), or offering a minor suit contract? So his decision was the most flexible? What is the recommended strength?
And the last questions: from where do you take the knowledge about those competitive situations? Can you recommend a book?

[whereagles]

42, on Apr 5 2006, 01:50 PM, said:

And the last questions: from where do you take the knowledge about those competitive situations? Can you recommend a book?

Unfortunately, it is the way of life that overcalls after 1NT always get relegated to 2nd stage by books. A few pieces here and there seems to be the best you can get.

[cherdano]

I like responder's choice here. Doubling 2C would be the autopilot bid, but if partner passes the expected 2S, he would have a problem. Instead, he anticipated your 2S bid, intending to show his hand perfectly with a takeout double of 2S.

I don't know where I learned stuff like this, I suppose a lot from here on BBF.

[42]

Sorry folks, the lead was ♣K.

[Walddk]

42, on Apr 5 2006, 03:58 PM, said:

Sorry folks, the lead was ♣K.

Doesn't make any difference; should still only be 1 down.

Roland

[pigpenz]

the person doubling 2♠ has no reason to be expectant of beating 2♠. So we are gambling on +50 to +100 to a minus x70. Doesnt seem like good imp odds to me.

[cherdano]

pigpenz, on Apr 6 2006, 12:09 AM, said:

the person doubling 2♠ has no reason to be expectant of beating 2♠. So we are gambling on +50 to +100 to a minus x70. Doesnt seem like good imp odds to me.

I think it was a takeout double.

[Tomi2]

Hi, I somehow won 2 Spades, but as I saw the dummy I did not agree to partners bidding.
club King was lead, I took and played a small heart. North won and played spade, this was ducked to my king. Than I played A of hearts and another heart, ruffed) than I played a small club and south ducked. I tried to ruff my last heart, south overruffed and played a club. I ruffed with the 8 and played spade. at the end south was endplayed in dias.
But I think this was no good defense by N/S

but I dont know, why all would bid with west's hand. If P has a good spade fit, than we can beat x NT, i have 2 side aces as entries. If not, we will go down (on good defense) and lose much if we get doubled. If pd has no spades we must play hearts, where I have A743... this is not the suit I want to play against xxx from partner.
for me this hand is a clear pass.