[cherdano]

It wouldn't occur to me to try a fit jump on an unknown pickup partner. Especially since here, the natural alternative 2C - then 3S is better or at least equally good anyway.

[hrothgar]

kenrexford, on Feb 18 2006, 11:23 PM, said:

P-1D-1S-X-? You hold Qxx-Jxxx-x-KQJxx. Your call? My selection worked out because the remaining auction allowed us to declare or defend the right contract in the right manner. Actually, the hand was botched, but for poor reasons. But, we were enabled to do the right thing.

To be perfectly clear:

Your selection "worked out" because the opponents decided to rescue you from a 5-2 club fit at the three level when you had game in Spades available...

I find it difficult to under how a scheme which which requires on sub-optimal play by the opponents can be described as enabling you to do the right thing.

[joshs]

Jlall, on Feb 18 2006, 03:27 PM, said:

Good hand for "transfers" where you could transfer to clubs and then bid 2S to show a lead directional raise with clubs. I think I will take the minor risk of 2C getting passed out and committing myself to the 3 level and bid 2C to be followed with a 3S bid (so partner knows im not just preferencing). Prefer a fit jump to promise 9 cards if we even play them here.

Snap-dragon also works fine:
x showing clubs and spade tolerence, if partner bids clubs or NT you correct to 2S. If the auction remains competative, you may not get a chance to show all your features no matter if you played x-fer or snap-dragon or yatzee but since spades is the boss suit its likely you will get a chance to bid 2S next...Now if your overcalls are much sounder than mine, this hand might be good enough to venture 3S...

[joshs]

mikeh, on Feb 20 2006, 08:13 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Feb 19 2006, 10:51 PM, said:

The format was IMPs, and I elected 3C.  Sure, four card support is nice, but the lead-directional value seems increased when I have four hearts.

In any event, I doubted that we'd play 3C.  If anything, we'd be too high in spades.  The auction proceeded 3C-P-P-?  This made me sweat, as partner turned up with two clubs.  The opponents balanced, allowing me to complete the picture with a 3S call, raised to 4S.  This was cold if you (1) play the person who doubled 1S and then bid 3D for the heart Ace and (2) do not concede a loser with no losers left.

How could you correct to 3♠???

if you intended your bid as fit-showing, and partner passed, has he not shown a hand that wants to play in 3♣?

Or did he fail to alert? Which would make 3♠ by you an extremely poor bid.

Now, if 3♠ was not fit-showing, you are ok to bid 3♠, but would have made an odd bid with 3♣

Well in the US, fit jumps show 4 card support for partner and are 100% forcing at least over majors, so he would not have passed if he understood the bid, so really even live there is no UI. If fit jumps show the 6-3 hand (I think its played that way somewhere in the world), then playing them as passable is reasonable. Over minors, many play fit jumps into majors are passable, at least if made by a passed hand. Why would you ever want to play in a minor when you have a likely 9 card major suit fit?

[kenrexford]

By "worked out" I mean that 3C did not end the auction. Of course they could pass, and of course this is not the "optimal scheme." However, we ended up reaching 4S anyway. The point of the question was whether 3C would be recognized as a fit-showing jump. Apparently, it was not to partner. Equally apparently, at least one opponent also missed this when they rescued us. this amazed me.

[cherdano]

kenrexford, on Feb 22 2006, 01:01 AM, said:

By "worked out" I mean that 3C did not end the auction. Of course they could pass, and of course this is not the "optimal scheme." However, we ended up reaching 4S anyway. The point of the question was whether 3C would be recognized as a fit-showing jump. Apparently, it was not to partner. Equally apparently, at least one opponent also missed this when they rescued us. this amazed me.

Did you alert 3C?