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Another mastermind?

#21 Guest_Jlall_*

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Posted 2006-February-16, 13:24

Hannie, on Feb 16 2006, 01:57 PM, said:

When Rodwell decides not to explore slam because he thinks that the chances that an exploration gives away vital information to the defense are far larger then the chances that Meckwell will find a good slam, then we all say (correctly imo) that Rodwell must have been right (even when slam happened to be good).

Now we have a young bridge player who wants to improve and is thinking about these issues. The circumstances seem right to him (no good agreements for this hand, matchpoints, etc.) so he decides to try the same strategy. That seems a healthy attitude to me, but some of our starred posters say that this is "bad for his partnership morale" and that he is making "sick bids". How can you learn these things when you are not allowed to make mistakes? :P

Are we not supposed to say it's sick if that is what he ASKS and that is what we think?

By the way, the 2 situations you describe (rodwell and arend) are not analagous. In this case partner has a very high upper limit and a very wide range. We are misdescribing (given that with the same shape and 0 HCP 99 % of people would bid 4S) our hand opposite that and making a unilateral decision. Making unilateral decisions is fine opposite a limited partner (and in the instance you cite, rodwell's partner was limited).

We really have no idea what partner has. Arend said that this hand is in range for his partnership's splinters and partner would NOT expect more. He would not expect side controls or more high card points. We have not denied a void. Most of the hands where slam is good include little wastage in clubs with partner (or just a huge hand).

I'm glad Arend is thinking about things such as getting favorable leads and shutting the opponents out. Indeed Rodwell does too. I think that Arend is doing his learning in a great way, making his bid then discussing it with many other people. He is asking for us to be honest about what we think of his bid, and taking no offense if we think it is a bad bid. Indeed, some very good players think its reasonable and think 4C is not a good bid. Arend can read all of this and form his own views on bridge and this hand, so I think that that is a great way to learn.

I don't think that because I said his bid was "sick" when he asked if it was sick that means he is not allowed to make mistakes. And just because I think it is sick does not make it so.

I will always be honest with someone about what I think of their bid if they ask. I think that is the point of the forums, and that is why it's such a great utility. It is insulting to that person if you lie to them and sugarcoat your reply when they specifically ask you if you think their bid is bad. I will never do that.
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Posted 2006-February-16, 13:29

i'd use the under j/s here, showing a 8/9-11 splinter (the void doesn't bother me much with this strength)... i play it as game forcing anyway, but it does carry danger that a good pair will come to the correct inferences re: lead etc, but that's when opener asks where the shortness is located

btw, i think arend asked for people to give their opinions as to whether his bid was sick, mastermind, reasonable... i personally think it was reasonable (even if it was theoretically wrong, it could be warranted for practical reasons, which he gave)...
"Paul Krugman is a stupid person's idea of what a smart person sounds like." Newt Gingrich (paraphrased)
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Posted 2006-February-16, 13:41

I do think that is good that people give their honest opinions, and I didn't mean to complain about this. But in some of the responses I thought the tone went from "this bid is a bad bid" to "these bids show that your attitude towards the game is bad", which I really disagree with.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-February-16, 17:47

The risk of opponents finding a defence in clubs is not my foremost fear, at equal vul. IMO, 5 trumps (with the ace) and another 5-card suit plus a void are enough to splinter (which would allow partner to better evaluate the potential of his hand).

Btw, the ambience looks favourable for taking every opportunity to bid your hand, rather than mastermind the final contract: weakish club field (so even a bad hand would not compromise your chance to win - and even if you do not win a club event, is your pride so hurt?), and no particular pressure (I might accept 4 under the hammer in a major event, or if you have an headache).
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Posted 2006-February-16, 17:50

Well if you are trying to get a friendly lead, how about bidding 2H first?

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Posted 2006-February-16, 18:15

4S reasonable at mps, sick at IMPs. Purely to make life difficult for them, whereas at IMPs you're risking 10+ IMPs to gain 1-2.

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