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Overcalling 2 Clubs Meaning of 2NT

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  Posted 2006-December-08, 18:48

:P Please, help me understand this simple auction.
After a 2 opener, what should 2NT by partner mean?
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Posted 2006-December-08, 18:52

Assuming 2 strong, it seems like overcalling 2NT would be a pretty unusual call.

So I'd take it as showing the minors. :P

If you mean a 2NT response to partner's strong 2 opening, some people play this as a positive with hearts and use 2 as an immediate negative. Another alternative is to have 2NT showing a good hand with a lot of slow cards (i.e queens and jacks) that might be better off declaring a NT contract. At one point I know a pair using 2NT response to show "8+ points but no aces or kings."
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Posted 2006-December-08, 20:09

Sorry, I should have been more exact.
The 2 's opener by the opposition
did show a strong hand (19+hcpts)
and the 2NT was an overcall by partner.
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Posted 2006-December-08, 20:15

Absent discussion, both minors, probably weak (but with decent playing strength).
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Posted 2006-December-08, 23:28

I would certainly think this is a normal unusual 2NT showing the lower two unbid suits...ie & since no real suit has been bid.
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Posted 2006-December-08, 23:44

As has been stated, UNT showing both minors. Perhaps he might have intended it as some M/m 2 suiter.
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Posted 2006-December-11, 13:48

I don't know if there's a standard treatment (other than the obvious "minors"), but I think it makes more sense for it to show a more general two-suiter. Over 1-level openings, there are a variety of ways to show various different two-suiters (Michaels and Unusual 2NT over suits, DONT, Cappaletti, Astro, Hello, etc. over 1NT, Truscott, Mathe, CRASH, etc. over strong 1), but few partnerships have such detailed systems over 2. If you only use 2NT when you have minors, it won't come up very much (1 out of 6 two-suiters) and you're still left with no other way to show the rest of them. So perhaps it should be any two-suiter.

One thing, though. If you're going to bid a two-suiter over 2, I think it should probably be at least 6-5, not just 5-5 (and certainly not 5-4, as you might be with some of the conventions mentioned above). You'd like to have a decent chance of finding an 8-card fit to come in over a powerhouse opener. Advancer responds by bidding his cheapest 3+-card suit, and overcaller passes or corrects. The screw case is when overcaller is 1=5=1=6 while advancer is 4=1=6=2 -- they end up in a 5-1 fit rather than their 6-2 or 6-1 fit.

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Posted 2006-December-11, 13:58

there are numerous 2-suited conventions used against a 2C (or Precision 1C) opening
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