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Poll: What do you bid? (45 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid?

  1. pass (16 votes [35.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.56%

  2. 2S (4 votes [8.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.89%

  3. 2NT (18 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  4. 3C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 3D (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 3NT (5 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  7. other (2 votes [4.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.44%

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Posted 2006-February-05, 06:15

In a team match, you hold:
Scoring: IMP


and the bidding goes:
1 - 2 - pass - pass
2 - pass - ???

What do you bid now, and what's your reasoning?
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Posted 2006-February-05, 06:27

3NT.

My reasoning is that pd should have a strong hand for his bid. If he doesn't, maybe 3NT will teach him :P

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Posted 2006-February-05, 06:41

2nt ,specially using a limit sys.
my reason is he didn't reopen T/O,that means his next auction is rebid a major --- to show his 10 card+ major.I waiting fro my partner as my waiting for his loving. :P
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Posted 2006-February-05, 12:21

4H

I expect p to be 6-6 in the majors. No reopening X.
With only 10 cards in the majors she would reopen with X.
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Posted 2006-February-05, 13:02

Peter thinks that partner should have a strong hand for 2H, Mike thinks that partner should be 6-6 in the majors... I disagree with both. I wonder what you two recommend partner to do with

AJ10xx
AQxxx
xx
x

If double, what should partner do over 3C? Is partner not allowed to bid 3C with x xxx Kxxx Jxxxx over the double?

I think that partner has a fairly minimal hand with 5-5 in the majors. I don't think that we have many tricks in notrump, so I pass. 2NT would be my second choice.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-February-05, 13:09

I would check this one out.
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Posted 2006-February-05, 13:20

Jlall, on Feb 5 2006, 02:09 PM, said:

I would check this one out.

Check this one out = ?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-February-05, 14:24

Hannie, on Feb 5 2006, 02:02 PM, said:

Peter thinks that partner should have a strong hand for 2H, Mike thinks that partner should be 6-6 in the majors... I disagree with both. I wonder what you two recommend partner to do with

AJ10xx
AQxxx
xx
x

If double, what should partner do over 3C? Is partner not allowed to bid 3C with x xxx Kxxx Jxxxx over the double?

I think that partner has a fairly minimal hand with 5-5 in the majors. I don't think that we have many tricks in notrump, so I pass. 2NT would be my second choice.

If playing sound openings that is not an opening hand.
If playing lightish openings where are the hcp? I would reopen with x and see if LHO bids again or pass 2D. Good hand to discuss with your partnership. Do you play with a light opener you must reopen almost all hands with an x or just pass?
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Posted 2006-February-05, 14:37

Hannie, on Feb 5 2006, 02:20 PM, said:

Jlall, on Feb 5 2006, 02:09 PM, said:

I would check this one out.

Check this one out = ?

pass.
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Posted 2006-February-05, 14:38

2NT, we are red, we are playing IMP, so I will
give it a try.
Partner being short ind diamond, cant pass,
so he does not promis add. strength.

Marlowe
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Posted 2006-February-05, 14:57

Pass is a possibility.

Pard shd have a very offensive, though min, 55 or better. With more offensive power he'd have reopened 3. I have super 2 cover cards, but the fit is bad and bad breaks might be lurking.
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Posted 2006-February-05, 16:51

mike777, on Feb 5 2006, 03:24 PM, said:

Hannie, on Feb 5 2006, 02:02 PM, said:

Peter thinks that partner should have a strong hand for 2H, Mike thinks that partner should be 6-6 in the majors... I disagree with both. I wonder what you two recommend partner to do with

AJ10xx
AQxxx
xx
x

If double, what should partner do over 3C? Is partner not allowed to bid 3C with x xxx Kxxx Jxxxx over the double?

I think that partner has a fairly minimal hand with 5-5 in the majors. I don't think that we have many tricks in notrump, so I pass. 2NT would be my second choice.

If playing sound openings that is not an opening hand.
If playing lightish openings where are the hcp? I would reopen with x and see if LHO bids again or pass 2D. Good hand to discuss with your partnership. Do you play with a light opener you must reopen almost all hands with an x or just pass?

AJ10xxx
AQxxx
xx
x

When playing sound openings I would open 1S (as would 99% of serious bridge players) and rebid 2H. When playing light openings I would do the same. When playing chess I would castle to protect my king, but why not assume that we're just playing normal bridge?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-February-05, 16:57

I'd pass...

My two Kings are golden, but the rest of the hand is dreck...
Slow Diamond tricks and theJack of Clubs don't rate to make many tricks on defense.

Given partner the "perfect" hand and we might have a shot at game. Balanced against this, there is a real risk that partner holds a 5=4=1=3 or 5=4=2=2= hand where any encouraging move could be deadly
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Posted 2006-February-05, 17:11

I'd go with 2NT. Partner's 2 bid doesn't guarantee a good hand (I'm sure partner bids this way with most 5-5 majors hands for example) but it certainly could be a good hand. I'm not going to pass throughout with ten high and both major suit kings; is it somehow impossible that partner holds a hand like:

AQJxx
AQJxx
x
xx

AQxxx
AQJx
xx
Ax

AQxxxx
AQxxx
xx
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Certainly I would bid 2 with any of those, and game has reasonable play in each case.
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Posted 2006-February-05, 17:16

"Peter thinks that partner should have a strong hand for 2H, Mike thinks that partner should be 6-6 in the majors... I disagree with both. I wonder what you two recommend partner to do with

AJ10xx
AQxxx
xx
x"

Since we are vulnerable, I would pass (reluctantly) with this hand. Partner has passed, after all.

NV, everything changes. 2H could be this hand, and I would probably pass, though 2NT would be close.

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Posted 2006-February-05, 17:48

Pass. The only reason for partner to balance with 2 is 10-11 cards in the majors. Not even a strong hand, IMHO.
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  Posted 2006-February-05, 22:34

Opener's likely void in diamonds and can not sit for 2 diamonds doubled. I pass here and pray for a mercifully small minus, or +110.
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Posted 2006-February-06, 11:06

awm, on Feb 5 2006, 06:11 PM, said:

I'd go with 2NT. Partner's 2 bid doesn't guarantee a good hand (I'm sure partner bids this way with most 5-5 majors hands for example) but it certainly could be a good hand. I'm not going to pass throughout with ten high and both major suit kings; is it somehow impossible that partner holds a hand like:

AQJxx
AQJxx
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AQxxx
AQJx
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Ax

AQxxxx
AQxxx
xx
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Certainly I would bid 2 with any of those, and game has reasonable play in each case.

I think that the second hand is a clear double. The first hand seems too good for 2H, I would be tempted to bid 3H. I don't think that this jump shift is gameforcing. In fact, I don't think that it is forcing.

Given that two out of the three hands you construct where game is good are questionable (in my opinion), I'm now more convinced that pass is the best call.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-February-06, 11:39

I am a passer. I (barely) have the values for 2N but the complete lack of communication makes this hand much worse. The best I can say for it, is at least I have good honors in partner's suits....

I expect partner has a 5-5 hand in the 10-16 HCP range. I might make 4H opposite those hands, but I may also for down 4.

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Posted 2006-February-06, 12:11

OK, let's discuss what are opener's obligations to reopen. It seems most if not all are rebidding a suit with minimum hands and ten cards in the majors.

Lawrence does not specifically address this issue in the "Contested Auction"
1) Opener can pass with length in the overcall suit and some 15 hcp hand types
2) DO NOT CUE BID JUST TO SHOW A BIG TAKEOUT DOUBLE HAND(HISCAPS :blink:
3) If your hand is suited to a takeout double, then double regardless of your hand strength. If your hand is too distributional to double, THEN you can make a cuebid. This is very rare.

Point 3 is open to interpretation but it does seem with a minimum hand and ten cards in the majors double and and not bidding a suit may be correct?

Perhaps a forum reader has a book on negative doubles that discusses this issue in more depth?

I note the Bridge Encyclopedia shows:
1s=2c=p=p
2h with

KQT72=AQ952=K5=4

and 2s with
AKQ963=K5=J852=9


btw I would x with both these hands, I would still double with AQxxx..AQxxx..x.xx, anyone else?
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