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Partner torture bid - Polish Club
#1
Posted 2006-February-16, 09:09
Hi everyone,
Yesterday I had the following auction:
1♣* Pass 1♦* Pass
1♥* Dbl 4♣ Pass
1♣: Polish ♣ (almost)
1♦:
-> 1. 0 - 6 any
-> 2. 7 - 11 no 4-card major and no other bid
-> 3. 16+ balanced without 4M or good 5m
1♥: almost forcing, may be 3 cards only if 12 - 14 balanced
Dbl: Take out of ♥
4♣: For you to find out
What is 4♣ and what do you bid on
Qx
QJxx
xx
AKJxx
(we include this hand into 1♣)
Yesterday I had the following auction:
1♣* Pass 1♦* Pass
1♥* Dbl 4♣ Pass
1♣: Polish ♣ (almost)
1♦:
-> 1. 0 - 6 any
-> 2. 7 - 11 no 4-card major and no other bid
-> 3. 16+ balanced without 4M or good 5m
1♥: almost forcing, may be 3 cards only if 12 - 14 balanced
Dbl: Take out of ♥
4♣: For you to find out
What is 4♣ and what do you bid on
Qx
QJxx
xx
AKJxx
(we include this hand into 1♣)
#3
Posted 2006-February-16, 10:56

My first guess would be that this has the same meaning as
p : (p) : 1♥ : (x) , 4♣.
Whatever that might be (fit?). If this is impossible I'll have to think again.
Quote
(we include this hand into 1♣)
Nice. Just out of interest, what do you open with
♠ x
♥ QJxx
♦ Qxx
♣ AKJxx ?
#4
Posted 2006-February-16, 11:32
Well if 1H can be 3 and a weak NT I would not want to bypass 3N with the 2425 or 1435 hands that have been suggested. What would you bid with those hands without the x over 1H?
And why don't those hands start with a natural 2C over 1C???
And why don't those hands start with a natural 2C over 1C???
#5
Posted 2006-February-16, 14:09
I don't particularly like that since we have to include all ♣ hands into 1♣ but that's how Tomek, Jutek and tomi2 play.
So also 1♣ on that.
1♦ denies a 4-card major unless 6 HCP or less.
So also 1♣ on that.
1♦ denies a 4-card major unless 6 HCP or less.
#6
Posted 2006-February-16, 14:19
Since you may have a balanced hand without a real club suit I would say that 4♣ has to be a splinter.
Luis
Luis
The legend of the black octogon.
#7
Posted 2006-February-16, 16:43
If the 1H rebid guarantees 4+ clubs, then 4C by responder should NOT be a splinter ( I do not like splinters in pard's bid suit)...
I much prefer 4C as keycard for clubs.
If, instead the 1H rebid does not guarantee clubs, then the 4C bid seems like a real enigma to me, probably a splinter could be a possible meaning....
I much prefer 4C as keycard for clubs.
If, instead the 1H rebid does not guarantee clubs, then the 4C bid seems like a real enigma to me, probably a splinter could be a possible meaning....
"Bridge is like dance: technique's important but what really matters is not to step on partner's feet !"
#8
Posted 2006-February-16, 18:31
Responder did not bid
- 2♣ = GF with ♣s which buries 4♣ as KC
- 3♣ = 6 crds with 2 top honours
- XX
1♦ may include 5-11 pts with a m (5-6 cards, not qualifying for a jump to 3m)
Perhaps the intention of responder is to put as much pressure as possible on opps because the ♠s must be somewhere and 4♠ is down
I listen to my inner voice and pass. But I did not yet talk to my psychiatrist... And it is really late...
- 2♣ = GF with ♣s which buries 4♣ as KC
- 3♣ = 6 crds with 2 top honours
- XX
1♦ may include 5-11 pts with a m (5-6 cards, not qualifying for a jump to 3m)
Perhaps the intention of responder is to put as much pressure as possible on opps because the ♠s must be somewhere and 4♠ is down

Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. (Groucho Marx)
#9
Posted 2006-February-17, 02:44
I would take it as 5-6,H, very distributional with a huge ♥ fit and shortness in ♣
The kind of hand Frances gave.
Alain
The kind of hand Frances gave.
Alain
Alain
#11
Posted 2006-February-17, 04:33
Gerben42, on Feb 17 2006, 10:05 AM, said:
Thanks for all who responded. Partner has:
xxxxx
KT9xxx
xx
-
xxxxx
KT9xxx
xx
-
Just returned from the psychiatrist. He said I should give up playing bridge and forget trying to understand men (3 minutes for 130 ).
Before I do: I didn't really think that partner had many ♣s. What I don't understand is the message of the SPL here. Why not 4♥?
Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. (Groucho Marx)
#12
Posted 2006-February-17, 04:45
Maybe you should forget playing bridge with your psychiatrist. Partner wanted to leave the door open for a slam in case I had a 18+ hand.
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