[Kalvan14]

Scoring: IMP

1H-1NT*-4H-?

*: 1-round forcing

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You bid 1NT, and are going to bid 3♥ at the second round. However, the bidding comes back with 4♥. What are you going to do?

[whereagles]

Textbook pass

[mr1303]

Presumably we play auto-splinters here?

In which case, I need more than a flat 10 count to bid more than 4H.

[inquiry]

What system are you playing? You have three card support 10 hcp, not particular good distribution and three card support. Why not a direct 2♥ raise. The jack of spades can't be worth both a point for jack and a point for doubleton....

If you raise hearts immediately i suspect the auction will be easier. Also, do you open naymats? How weak can 2♣ opening bid be with a great heart suit? Will your partner create a jumpshift is a three card suit then rebid hearts with some hands (what kinds). Do you use auto splinters on this auction? The answer to all those questions will influence what to do next.

[Kalvan14]

inquiry, on Jan 31 2006, 07:42 PM, said:

What system are you playing? You have three card support 10 hcp, not particular good distribution and three card support. Why not a direct 2♥ raise. The jack of spades can't be worth both a point for jack and a point for doubleton....

If you raise hearts immediately i suspect the auction will be easier. Also, do you open naymats? How weak can 2♣ opening bid be with a great heart suit? Will your partner create a jumpshift is a three card suit then rebid hearts with some hands (what kinds). Do you use auto splinters on this auction? The answer to all those questions will influence what to do next.

• system is 2/1
  
• 1M-1NT-2any-3M: 10-12 balanced, 3 trumps
  
• 2C is pretty classic (no 8-tricks-in-a-major)
  
• we play namyats
  
• no autosplinter, but he might bid 2S or 3m 100% forcing (2S would not be GF, 3m would)

[bearmum]

PASS wtp?

[mike777]

Kalvan14, on Jan 31 2006, 07:48 PM, said:

inquiry, on Jan 31 2006, 07:42 PM, said:

What system are you playing? You have three card support 10 hcp, not particular good distribution and three card support. Why not a direct 2♥ raise. The jack of spades can't be worth both a point for jack and a point for doubleton....

If you raise hearts immediately i suspect the auction will be easier. Also, do you open naymats? How weak can 2♣ opening bid be with a great heart suit? Will your partner create a jumpshift is a three card suit then rebid hearts with some hands (what kinds). Do you use auto splinters on this auction? The answer to all those questions will influence what to do next.

• system is 2/1
  
• 1M-1NT-2any-3M: 10-12 balanced, 3 trumps
  
• 2C is pretty classic (no 8-tricks-in-a-major)
  
• we play namyats
  
• no autosplinter, but he might bid 2S or 3m 100% forcing (2S would not be GF, 3m would)

This system really sucks, unless playing very sound in first and second seat.

[han]

I don't see the problem with evaluating this as an invite. Why can't you add a point for the spaded jack as well as the doubleton club? You have 3 good cards (♥Q, ♦K, ♣A) as well as 3 minor features: a doubleton, a jack and a five card suit. I don't like to use 1M-1NT-2X-3M as 3-card invite, but given that we play this 1NT seems fine (unless you open very light).


I'm not sure what to do over 4H. Is this a typical hand for partner: Kx AKJxxx Ax KJx? that looks like a good slam. It shouldn't be hard to construct hands where 6H is cold, as well as hands where 5H is in jeopardy.

[inquiry]

Hannie, on Feb 1 2006, 12:28 PM, said:

Is this a typical hand for partner: Kx AKJxxx Ax KJx? that looks like a good slam. It shouldn't be hard to construct hands where 6H is cold, as well as hands where 5H is in jeopardy.

No.. they are playing 3♦ as short diamond. Not clear yet if can be void or just stiff....

[Free]

Kalvan14, on Feb 1 2006, 01:13 AM, said:

What are you going to do?

Pass, and blame partner for bidding 4♥ immediatly...

[Kalvan14]

mike777, on Feb 1 2006, 03:39 AM, said:

Kalvan14, on Jan 31 2006, 07:48 PM, said:

inquiry, on Jan 31 2006, 07:42 PM, said:

What system are you playing? You have three card support 10 hcp, not particular good distribution and three card support. Why not a direct 2♥ raise. The jack of spades can't be worth both a point for jack and a point for doubleton....

If you raise hearts immediately i suspect the auction will be easier. Also, do you open naymats? How weak can 2♣ opening bid be with a great heart suit? Will your partner create a jumpshift is a three card suit then rebid hearts with some hands (what kinds). Do you use auto splinters on this auction? The answer to all those questions will influence what to do next.

• system is 2/1
  
  
• 1M-1NT-2any-3M: 10-12 balanced, 3 trumps
  
  
• 2C is pretty classic (no 8-tricks-in-a-major)
  
  
• we play namyats
  
  
• no autosplinter, but he might bid 2S or 3m 100% forcing (2S would not be GF, 3m would)

This system really sucks, unless playing very sound in first and second seat.

Thanks for the constructive comment, but it does not really address my question

[Kalvan14]

inquiry, on Feb 1 2006, 12:36 PM, said:

Hannie, on Feb 1 2006, 12:28 PM, said:

Is this a typical hand for partner: Kx AKJxxx Ax KJx? that looks like a good slam. It shouldn't be hard to construct hands where 6H is cold, as well as hands where 5H is in jeopardy.

No.. they are playing 3♦ as short diamond. Not clear yet if can be void or just stiff....

Maybe I was unclear: 3m would be GF, normally with 4/+ cards (but can be 3 at a pinch)

[Kalvan14]

Pard's hand:
A AKJxxx Axx Qxx

I do believe that this would be best treated with a 3♣ rebid (GF - normally showing a real suit). The bidding would be:
1♥-1N-3♣-3♥(slam interest)-3♠-4♣-4♦-4N-6♥

The slam requires diamonds 3-2, and K♣ in E (or no club lead): difficult to say if a club lead is likely or not, since it depends on the bidding and on E having other alternatives for the opening lead. At worst is 34%, at best 68%: IMO, assessing it at 50% would be fair.

At my table I passed, after a long suffering (4♥+2 after a spade lead).
At the other table, oppos reached 6 (made; K♣ is with E, and diamonds break), after opening 1♣ (strong).
It is a marginal slam, and I am not too much upset by not having called it. Still, I told partner that I did not agree with the 4♥ rebid.

[mike777]

Yes, this hand type has been discussed often on the forum.
The general expert consensus seems to be a jump shift into the 3 card minor. The experts saving the 4H jump rebid for some other hand type.
The vast majority of nonexperts just rebid 4H as a strong 18+ type hand.

[hatchett]

Pass looks clearcut. I like to play a 4M rebid as a hand that had slightly too much defense to open 4M.