[han]

keylime, on Jan 31 2006, 04:42 PM, said:

Han,

This time I have to dissent here. To me Jacoby 2NT is a bid that states that there is no other bid possibly to express my hand; furthermore J2NT for me should be much more closely defined as a mild slam try or better.

I have plenty of time with 1♥-2♦ to determine where we're going. Examples:

1) Opener's on a min.

1♥-2♦-2♥

Depending on what flavor of arrival you're using you bid hearts here to limit your hand, and life is swell. You haven't lost anything by not bidding J2NT first. You've allowed opener to describe further their hand.

2) Opener's shapely

1♥-2♦-3♣ or 1♥-2♦-2♠

To me these are non-minimums (for those of note -> which form of arrival is BBO Adv using, fast, slow, or picture style?) playing slow arrival. Now you're in business. However, with fast arrival, these can be wide-ranging (either picture style or non-min, depending on agreement). In either case, you can set trumps.

3) Opener's on a rock

1♥-2♦-2NT (slow arrival, 18-19)
1♥-2♦-3♠
1♥-2♦-3♥

Your hand upgrades here. Your trump honors look magical now knowing pard has "cards" in your fragments (spades and clubs). Now if Serious 3NT is agreed -> nice time to use it. Otherwise, cuebid or make a slam try as applicable.

With Jacoby 2NT however, opener loses A LOT of potential to describe their hand since we are in essence DEMANDING they answer our bid. What does opener do if they are on a minimum with a stiff? Do they HAVE to show the stiff telling the defense what NOT to lead? Additionally, you lose the ability to show responder's side suits as pluses/minuses to the overall idea of contract.

1♥-2♦ allows a lot better structured auction. You're already in a G/F; why rush? :-)

I know your opinion but I disagree.

[Echognome]

For what it's worth, the other table also had the same start 1♥-2NT-3♦. However, 3♦ could have had a very different meaning.

I didn't like 3♦ either, but gambled that if partner did not have wasted diamond values, it would be the easiest road to the right contract. My luck wasn't in and we didn't get there. I wasn't too unhappy seeing dummy as slam was 50%.

I just didn't like my choices and completely understood partner's bid. Note that there were no recriminations after the board.

[keylime]

Echo,

I can imagine the "d'oh" factor when you didn't get into the right strain. It's a credit to both that you two handled it well.

[dogsbreath]

hi
Not all play 'serious 3nt' .. i believe Henri (ritong) and others play 3nt in these situations as 'cool-off-p ..i dont like the look of this' ..type of bid...
..does that influence opener's further action?
Rgds Dog

[whereagles]

dogsbreath, on Feb 1 2006, 03:31 AM, said:

hi
Not all play 'serious 3nt' .. i believe Henri (ritong) and others play 3nt in these situations as 'cool-off-p ..i dont like the look of this' ..type of bid...
..does that influence opener's further action?
Rgds Dog

That's called "frivolous 3NT".

[bearmum]

mike777, on Jan 31 2006, 11:25 AM, said:

hrothgar, on Jan 30 2006, 08:01 PM, said:

Echognome and I got a spanking from the Egyptian Bermuda Bowl team...

Here's an hand where we hand one of our two big losses...

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ K74 ♥ AQ96 ♦ KJT2 ♣ JT

Playing BBO-Advanced you hear partner open 1♥.
You chose to respond 2N, and partner rebids 3♦...

Name your poison (along with an explanation)

4H

I could hardly have a worse hand.
Assuming 2nt was some version of Jacoby.
Assuming 3D showed shortness.

I AGREE

[Winstonm]

Jacoby 2N sucks.