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#1 Guest_Jlall_*

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Posted 2006-January-30, 08:57

xxx Axx xxxx xxx.

pass on your right, pass by you, 2H on your left, X by pard, 3H on your right, passed to partner who Xs. It is white/white at imps. What is your call?
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Posted 2006-January-30, 08:59

911 <_<
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Posted 2006-January-30, 09:20

Walddk, on Jan 30 2006, 09:59 AM, said:

911 <_<

lol, my thoughts exactly ;)
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Posted 2006-January-30, 09:24

Should I have psyched something before? Oh well...

3NT and put it on the table like you believe in it.
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Posted 2006-January-30, 09:32

We have a 7 card fit in spades and we might have an 8 card fit in diamonds, they seem to have a 9 card fit in hearts. I think there are not enough trumps to bid 3 over 3 or 4 over 3 here so it's either pass or 3NT, I think I'm going to pass since the chances of disaster in 3NT may be even greater than in 3x.

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Posted 2006-January-30, 09:44

Any ideas if 2 is likely to be 5 cards or 6, Justin?
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Posted 2006-January-30, 09:45

I'll pass, but I don't like it...
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Posted 2006-January-30, 09:51

MickyB, on Jan 30 2006, 10:44 AM, said:

Any ideas if 2 is likely to be 5 cards or 6, Justin?

LHO is winstonm who is fairly sound from what you've seen, but you have never seen his third seat preempts so can't be sure. He probably loosens up a lot.
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Posted 2006-January-30, 09:54

4144 with 19 hcp or so.......choosing between pass and 4D is a nail-biter. Is -50 or -100 better than 3H doubled making? I think that he is asking your opinion. You have 1 trick and he will take the tap. This will not be pretty. I bid 4D.
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Posted 2006-January-30, 10:00

Ho-hum. Very interesting.

If I thought hearts would be 6-3, I'd definitely try 3NT, and it is worthy of consideration even now - it is unlikely to get axed when it is wrong because noone will have a trump stack <_< and neither opponent will know how much his partner has in the way of high cards. If I had a chance at playing three rounds of trumps I'd be much happier with pass, but I won't get in to play the third round.

I think I'll pass and hope that they can't get many ruffs in the short trump hand anyway.
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Posted 2006-January-30, 10:15

Pass with 3NT a close second.

The only grain of comfort is that partner is marked with a good hand. Despite the 911 calls, it could have been worse with 2 being opened first-in-hand ... now partner could be doubling twice and not be so strong!

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  Posted 2006-January-30, 10:23

I bid 3NT if and only if my pard and I have an agreement to redouble to express doubt if RHO doubles. Just because RHO didn't open doesn't mean that they are not on a 10-12 balanced junk fest.

In most cases, I'm in between pass and bidding. At equal colors, doubling them into a possible game is not my cup of tea. I probably bid and apologize profusely after (especially at teams; at pairs it's a little different).
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Posted 2006-January-30, 10:36

Just out of curiosity, what are the 3N bidders planning on doing for tricks?
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Posted 2006-January-30, 10:43

Flat shape and an Ace, if I trust my pard I'll pass, heck, they might make it but anything else is dangerous too
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Posted 2006-January-30, 10:46

I bid 3NT. Partner can decide to bid his five-card minor.
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Posted 2006-January-30, 11:00

kenrexford, on Jan 30 2006, 06:46 PM, said:

I bid 3NT. Partner can decide to bid his five-card minor.

He won't, ever. He has no idea our 3NT values (which we don't have) are equally useful in 4m. Besides he doesn't know we are broke, and 4m doesn't score game.

I pass and hope for +100 in 3 instead of -200 in 3N or -150 in 3.

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Posted 2006-January-30, 11:08

Pass... I have my answer ready too.... I use it too much perhaps..

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Posted 2006-January-30, 11:16

Pass: I haven't been -530 in a long time, and I doubt that I will be here either. Partner has a big enough hand that he will be okay on opening lead, and I have a sure entry, which I can use either to reduce dummy's ruffing power or make a good switch. As for style, I'm more interested in dummy's style than declarer's: many players seem to feel that they can/should raise to 3 in this auction anytime they have 3 trump. If so, I think we are going to show them why that is not a good idea. Not that I expect a big number, altho against some players 500 is not impossible, but I do expect to win a small number of imps here.
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Posted 2006-January-30, 11:56

I chose pass, but I decided to do a little GIB simulation and see what it thought. GIB thinks 3 is a clear winner by a very wide margin. Pass is its 4th choice after 4 and 3NT respectively.

The reason seems to be because of the complete lack of defense. GIB expects to go down more often than not in 3 (average predicted score -71) but expects 3 to make frequently as well (average score -356).

Interesting...

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Posted 2006-January-30, 11:58

How did you do the simulation? In particular, what does GIB expect from the 3 raise, and, more importantly, from the two doubles from partner?

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