[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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What do you bid first and 2nd time? (If you pass first time then also give your second choice to be able to give a 2nd bid )
(1♦)-DBL-(Pas)-??
(Pas)-2♦-(Pas)??
(Partner shows 20+ with his DBL + cue)

[mike777]

kgr, on Jan 17 2006, 04:11 PM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: MP

♠ Jxx ♥ xx ♦ Txxx ♣ Jxxx

What do you bid first and 2nd time? (If you pass first time then also give your second choice to be able to give a 2nd bid  )
(1♦)-DBL-(Pas)-??
(Pas)-2♦-(Pas)??
(Partner shows 20+ with his DBL + cue)

1) 1s

2) 2s not 3clubs.


Partner knows to play me for 2 jacks if he has game in hand.

[Al_U_Card]

Looks like pard has a rock crusher and we are the dust.......I like 1S to start and will try 2NT as that ten fourth might be of interest.

[EricK]

First round I bid 2C. Partner has suggested I bid my longest suit and after careful checking I have decided that that is clubs.

Second round I bid 2S. Partner has forced me to bid again. My clubs aren't great(!) and spades is my next best suit.

By this sequence I have fortuitously managed to inform partner about the location of my hard card strength as well

Eric

[inquiry]

first bid 2♣ -- first it is my best suit, second, minor bids tend to slow partner down... spade bids and they envision 4♠ too frequently.

second bid, now I bid 2♠. Two ways to look at this, I had spades and choose not show them first time, or I don't have spades and I am broke. I think the second interpretation is correct. This will almost surely be a three card suit and poor hand.

[mike777]

can live with 2c and 3c but strongly disagree with changing suits....after starting with 1s or 2clubs...

[ArcLight]

I bid 1♠ not 2♣. I don't want pard to think I have a long Club suit.
Pard should haev at least 3 Spades and possibly 4.
I'm forced to bid, if pard bids 2♦ I'll go back to 2 Spades.
My hand is so weak it's unlikely pard can get in to take any marked finesses.

[tysen2k]

2♣ to start. The only time I would pick 1♠ would be if playing ELC and partner would frequently double with short clubs.

2♠ the next time around.

Tysen

[han]

Also 2C followed with 3C for me. I also think that 2C followed by 2S shows some values.. more than this.

[kgr]

 

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These were both hands.
My partner choose to start with 1S and did bid 2H after the cue (to show longer S then H ). I took this as a 5-4 and even with 0 points this could have a play, so I did bid 4H.
...I prefer 2♣ and 3♣.

[Free]

2♣ and 2♠. Partner knows it's not a 4 card unless my ♣ are a 6 card, so he'll know what to do.

[mikeh]

2♣ then 3♣ is the clearly correct technical answer, in my view. Put another way: that sequence is easily defensible in any post-mortem. Having said that, I would bid 1♠ then 2♠ many times: partner is far more likely to hold 4♠ than 4♣. Indeed, many players would routinely double with 14 count 4=4=3=2 hands, fearing that pass would block them from the auction. What would I do most often? I cannot answer that question, having peeked at the layout.

But the idea of bidding 1♠ then 2♥ leaves me (almost) speechless.

[pclayton]

1♠ / 2♠.

I don't have strong feelings about spades twice or clubs twice, but I have a huge issue with a change of suits or a # of NT. These calls do not convey a bust.

[EricK]

IMO, when partner A forces partner B to bid, and B makes a non-jump bid, A should never expect B to have something rather than nothing.

So all three sequences (2♣ 3♣; 2♣ 2♠ and 2♠ 3♠) promise nothing except length in the suit(s) bid.

I am almost certain that if I doubled and then cue-bid on the North hand and partner bid ♠ twice, then I would at least invite the ♠ game (and if I had a working Q instead of ♦Q I would just bid the ♠ game). What else am I supposed to do? Make another nebulous forcing bid and hope that this time partner tells me what suit he really has?

I have a lot of respect for the people who are advocating 1♠, 2♠ but on this occasion I don't see the merit to their approach.

Eric

[whereagles]

There are two ways to bid this hand: 1♠ + 2♠ or 2♣ + 3♣. I'd go for the first option because it allows pard to show his ~21-23 bal hand with 2NT, to which I can pass. On the 2nd option, pard would be forced to shoot at 3NT.

However, if you have an agreement that pard's cue is 100% game-forcing, 3NT at the 2nd round is a no-brainer

[Fluffy]

I will bid 2♣+3♣, but sincee 2♣ can be strogner than 1♠ on ym style, picking 1♠ has some extra appeal. Probably my partner would bid it.

[Gerben42]

First bid 2♣. Counted my suit lengths twice and still found more ♣ than ♠.

Second bid 2♠. I didn't bid them before, which I would have done with 4♠ and 5♣ so can't be that. So 2M here means: Better major and PLEASE stop torturing me.

My auction:

(1♦) X - 2♣
2♦ - 2♠
3♣ Pass

(3NT surely won't make, 5♣ also needs more than ♣Q only now that partner admits having some ♠)

[FrancesHinden]

First bid 2♣. I agree with the other people who counted their relative suit lengths before deciding what to bid.

Second bid. Yuck. Probably 2NT. It's important to agree with partner what bids show extra values after he cues, and what is just shut-up-shop-and-go-home. (I play step 1 over a cue as a negative, everything else showing some values, so would bid 2H but that isn't a standard agreement.)