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Preempt?

Poll: Preempt? (42 member(s) have cast votes)

Preempt?

  1. Easy 2S opening. (25 votes [59.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 59.52%

  2. Could go either way. (9 votes [21.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.43%

  3. Obvious pass. (8 votes [19.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.05%

  4. Other (for Free). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2006-January-18, 11:55

Scoring: IMP



You are ahead by 4 IMPs halfway through a 12-board team match. Would you open 2S?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-January-18, 11:59

You betcha.

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Posted 2006-January-18, 12:04

Good thing you put other in there... as 1♠ is at least a possibility for some of us. I would probably go with the field and open this 2♠ at the current conditions, however.
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Posted 2006-January-18, 12:24

inquiry, on Jan 18 2006, 08:04 PM, said:

Good thing you put other in there... as 1♠ is at least a possibility for some of us. I would probably go with the field and open this 2♠ at the current conditions, however.

Ben! Yes 25 Zar, but isn't it allowed to downgrade Qx and your long suit due to lack of texture? Also, 6-3-2-2 is one of the shapes slightly overvalued by Zar points, if I recall Tysen's numbers correctly.

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Posted 2006-January-18, 12:54

pass

Why bother with 6322 shape and an outside Ace unless you play Karen McCallum style weak 2 bids.
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Posted 2006-January-18, 13:18

I thought it was close and passed. I was playing with Ben and I think I should have opened 2S, Ben would not play me for a better suit or shape.

To answer the "why bother" question by Mike777, at the other table they did open 2S and the pressure was to much for our teammates: they sacrificed over 2S-4S and went for 1400 in 5HX (4S is against the odds but makes). Preempts often work.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-January-18, 13:24

Opening 2♠ will probably protect the club queen. I have a lot in my hand for 2♠ but being NV and up by 4 I'm not really afraid of missing a game.
So yes, I will open this 2♠
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Posted 2006-January-18, 13:32

With my f2f partner this is a constructive opening with ♠ (1♥ opening), but with everybody else I'd consider this an easy 2♠ opening. 3♠ would be weaker and with a shortness <_<

Tnx for the 'other'-option B) ;)
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Posted 2006-January-18, 13:34

I would never open 2 (or 1) spade with this but it is a style thing. It has it's moments. Advocates of wide ranging agressive preempts would cite this hand though.

We actually got to 4S which is a terrible spot. Hannie stopped in 2. So one might argue that was a win for the pass. However...

LHO bid 4N over my 4S bid with xx JTxxx KQJxx x white/white. This crazy bid was punished harshly. So it goes with the preempts, sometimes you are in a theoretically bad spot and then the opps save you. I think the worse the opposition the more likely something like this is to happen.
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Posted 2006-January-18, 16:28

I'm preempting with this one. Usually I prefer less defense, but passing just doesn't put enough pressure on the opps.
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Posted 2006-January-18, 17:14

Lots of defense here, but that's not necessarily bad for a preempt. After all, many points are won when opps overbid after a preempt, and this hand hints at that.

I would bid 2♠, but I'd prefer the suit to be other than spades, because it's harder for opps to bid over spades than the rest.

Wouldn't be surprised to go for a number by opening this one. The hints are all there: low ODR, broken suit, soft values... heck, the more I think of it, the more I convince myseld a 1♠ opener is the technically correct bid. Definitely would bid 1♠ in 3rd seat.
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Posted 2006-January-19, 03:47

I opened a hand very similar to this last Monday, and my partner went spare at me. I thought twice about it, but then decided the field would be doing the same thing, so I wasn't going to get a bad result by opening.

I wouldn't open it 1♠ though, I prefer a better hand to open at the 1 level.
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Posted 2006-January-19, 04:14

2♠ of cause

Good opps don't make "unforced errors", so i'll put some pressure on opps.
Furthermore opps should learn that sometimes my weak 2's are solid :huh: , they'll be more carefull next time.
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Posted 2006-January-19, 04:18

Important question: What did I discuss with partner about style? If nothing, then 2♠.

Sorry but you need to drug me before I even considering 1♠.
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  Posted 2006-January-19, 07:48

mr1303, on Jan 19 2006, 04:47 AM, said:

I opened a hand very similar to this last Monday, and my partner went spare at me. I thought twice about it, but then decided the field would be doing the same thing, so I wasn't going to get a bad result by opening.

I don't think that that's a good argument for making the bid (possibly carries more weight at matchpoints, but who plays matchpoints?).

That said, I'm favourable and in first seat. I don't much like it, but I'm going to bid.

Edit: oh, none vulnerable. Will depend on what partner expects, then. Think I'll probably still bid most of the time.
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Posted 2006-January-19, 09:13

Gerben42, on Jan 19 2006, 11:18 AM, said:

Important question: What did I discuss with partner about style? If nothing, then 2♠.

Sorry but you need to drug me before I even considering 1♠.

I agree

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Posted 2006-January-19, 09:21

No shape; No suit; No offense; No bid.

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