[LH2650]

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Partner opens, and you are playing 2/1 Game Force. Are you happy with your bidding so far? What is your call? If you interpret partner's 5N as Grand Slam Force, 6♣ would be your weakest response, and 6♠ would show one of the top 3 honors with something extra.

[Fluffy]

I interpret grand slam force, as far as I know I have a 6♦ response and that's what I'd bid, if you have other agreements and my answer must be 6♠ I bid that

[Phil]

I'm not particularly happy, since I have a nice hand in support of spades, and 4♠ doesn't do justice. I would prefer 4♦ (which should be a spade flag) or at least 4♣.

I really don't know what 5N is, but I doubt partner has the right hand for it whatever he intended it as.

[Free]

Agree with Fluf

[TWO4BRIDGE]

LH2650, on 2011-March-23, 20:27, said:

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If you interpret partner's 5N as Grand Slam Force, 6♣ would be your weakest response, and 6♠ would show one of the top 3 honors with something extra.

You have ONE of the top 3 AND "something else" -- ♥ K ( as well as the 3 other controls in the minors ).

Partner must be void in one of the minors -- I'm not sure which : 5 6 ( 2 0 or 0 2 ) -- other wise he would bid 4NT ( RKC ).

If he is ♣ A x or ♦ K x, you are probably cold for 7S.... but how to know ?

.....Surely he wouldn't bid 5NT with ♣ Q x ( or worse ), so I'm putting him on ♣ A x and ♦ void.

I'd like to bid 7S, but what if he is missing one of the top 3 ♠ honors ?

Heck, the grand may still be on a hook ..... sooo,

I'll just bid 7S and be done with it !

[mtvesuvius]

6♠, you answered your own question in the OP.

[chasetb]

TWO is trying to think outside the box, but I see it there is no box on this hand. You have 6 controls and one of the top three honors, 6♠ wtp

[Trinidad]

I don't get it. How can this possibly be a GSF?

I have not shown any controls and partner says that the grand depends on my spade holding only?!? I can buy that aces in the minors are not relevant. After all, partner could well have minor voids. But how can the ♥K be unimportant? It just doesn't exist.

Rik

[chasetb]

Trinidad, on 2011-March-24, 15:52, said:

I don't get it. How can this possibly be a GSF?

I have not shown any controls and partner says that the grand depends on my spade holding only?!? I can buy that aces in the minors are not relevant. After all, partner could well have minor voids. But how can the ♥K be unimportant? It just doesn't exist.

Rik

Partner has shown at least 6♥ and 5♠ as well as extra values. When you chose Spades, you showed shortness in ♥, which implies that with the 5NT bid (s)he has the A♥ as well as the K♠ and/or Q♠, and probably A♣ and a Diamond void. Partner was willing to go to 6 opposite you having NO help in Spades, yet you have both the A♠ and the K♥, which he shouldn't expect you to have, not to mention the K♣ and A♦. This hand clearly exists, and is worth 6♠ since they have agreements over GSF.

[manudude03]

I must confess to being the 6H bidder. It is partially influenced by my own preferences with the responses to GSF. For me, this logically shows 1 of the top 3 and a ♥ card. Given that partner bid 5NT with no information about our controls, he probably only cares about the majors (AQJxx AQJTxxx void A maybe if that isn't a 2C opener).

[mtvesuvius]

Partner clearly has something like ??xxx AQJxxx - Ax, substitute whatever spades you would like for the "?"... Regardless the correct bid is still 6♠.

[gnasher]

I expect partner has KQJxx AQJxxxxx - -

[matmat]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-March-24, 16:59, said:

Partner clearly has something like ??xxx AQJxxx - Ax, substitute whatever spades you would like for the "?"... Regardless the correct bid is still 6♠.

unless i've somehow shown the ♥K in the auction (did I?) I am not sure how 5n can be gsf with this hand, i could easily be 32 in the majors with two baby hearts... I almost feel like a H?xxx AQJxxx Kx -- is more likely, fishing for a 62 diamond fit.

[LH2650]

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At the local club, no one managed to reach a grand slam with these cards, and no progress was made in the post mortem. Any suggestions?

[aguahombre]

LH2650, on 2011-March-25, 06:58, said:

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At the local club, no one managed to reach a grand slam with these cards, and no progress was made in the post mortem. Any suggestions?

We could get to 7, via 2C-2D-3H (easy to find out about heart king and spade ace immediately). But that would require opener to focus on hearts being trump before the auction starts, and might not be wise without the heart jack.

[mtvesuvius]

wd Gnasher

[TWO4BRIDGE]

aguahombre, on 2011-March-25, 08:52, said:

We could get to 7, via 2C-2D-3H (easy to find out about heart king and spade ace immediately). But that would require opener to focus on hearts being trump before the auction starts, and might not be wise without the heart jack.

I like Aquaman's 2C open suggestion, "initially" setting Hts as trump and demanding cuebids:

2C - 2D
3H(jump) - 3S
5NT! - 6D ( or 6H ) = one of the top 3 Ht honors
7S ( hoping that the Sp cue was NOT a VOID ! )

[ArtK78]

LH2650, on 2011-March-25, 06:58, said:

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At the local club, no one managed to reach a grand slam with these cards, and no progress was made in the post mortem. Any suggestions?

I suspected that opener's hand was something like this.

In my opinion, 5NT has to be a GSF if the partnership plays GSF. The fact that I hold the ♥K and an outside ace causes me to think that partner's hand may not be an ideal GSF, but that doesn't change the partnership agreement. So I answer the question that he asked. It may or may not get us to the right spot, but I am not in a position to overrule partner.

Given that the partnership is playing an unusual form of GSF that allows an answer of "a top honor and something extra," partner's GSF is not a bad choice. Responder should realize that opener must have a 5-8 or 6-7 hand to make this call, and the "something extra" can only be a missing heart honor in addition to a missing spade honor. So, responder has what opener is looking for. But I would not jump to 7. Partner can bid 7 himself. Who knows? Maybe partner was being very creative, and the 6♠ "I have a top honor and something extra" response will not be enough for him to bid the grand.

[whereagles]

If pard bids 5NT over my wimpish 4♠ response, he can't be weary of a minor suit loser, so I guess he has like a 5701 with singleton ace of clubs. If I trust pard, I'll probably bid 7♠. If not, I'll settle for 6♠, as 5NT might already be a silly bid

[chasetb]

ArtK78, on 2011-March-25, 09:26, said:

Responder should realize that opener must have a 5-8 or 6-7 hand to make this call, and the "something extra" can only be a missing heart honor in addition to a missing spade honor. So, responder has what opener is looking for. But I would not jump to 7. Partner can bid 7 himself.

Partner wouldn't have a 5-8 hand, otherwise his/her 3rd bid should have been a jump to 4♥. Therefore, it's either 5-6 and no worries about the minors or 6-7. I do agree with you, as do most of us sane people here, that the hand is

If you want to get there (easily?), play Precision Club and open that hand 1♣. For me, it would go: 1♣-2♣(positive transfer to ♦); 4♦(Majors)-7♠. If not, follow the bidding sequence outlined in the very first post, adding 6♠ and 7♠ to the end.