Comments and experience with these type hands are of interest...
What do you bid? Opening Bid Question
#1
Posted 2005-October-21, 08:15
Comments and experience with these type hands are of interest...
#2
Posted 2005-October-21, 08:20
Not even if you twisted my arms would I pre-empt with a hand like this.
Roland
#3
Posted 2005-October-21, 08:23
#4 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-October-21, 08:35
#5
Posted 2005-October-21, 08:44
When a hand does not fall into any category the green card works well. Pass does not lessen your hand; nor does pass increase its value; however, pass does define your hand; something partner might like to know.
Winston
#6
Posted 2005-October-21, 08:51
Jlall, on Oct 21 2005, 09:35 AM, said:
Looking at the honor cards in the hand, I am sorely tempted to open 3H because pard will bid 3NT (and have a sure outside entry) or 4H when it is right and the opps will guess wrong more often than over the 1H opening. If we are playing disciplined preempts then this goes back to the 1H.
#7
Posted 2005-October-21, 08:53
Walddk, on Oct 21 2005, 09:20 AM, said:
Worth it for the exercise alone....lol
#8
Posted 2005-October-21, 09:30
OTOH, this is not a purely offensive hand either.
I would usually pass. If feeling too irritable to pass (if I have had too much coffee or am being shot at by Danes) I'd open 3♥. 3♥ has the advantage that some Danish opps would not expect this hand type
But pass is the sensible bid, for me at least. White v red I wold probably squeak 1♥
So you can tell that this is an easy hand for me: NOT
#9
Posted 2005-October-21, 09:59
#10
Posted 2005-October-21, 12:06
Question for others who play light, limited openings. Even though we open light, partner and I have the agreement that if opener rebids his suit showing 6+ then it promises a sound opening since opener would have preempted with less than a sound opening. Do others have similar agreements?
Tysen
#11
Posted 2005-October-21, 12:36
- hrothgar
#12
Posted 2005-October-21, 12:53
My thought is that this auction is almost sure to get competitive, and in fact that is what happened at the table. Your partner is going to expect some quick tricks from you if you end up on defense, and the fact is that you have none. And if you catch partner with a very good hand, you could end up in a bad slam or even 5♥ down one~
I would vote for 2 ♥, the choice of no one so far, as the best lie, with pass second choice.
#13
Posted 2005-October-21, 12:55
#14
Posted 2005-October-21, 13:02
microcap, on Oct 21 2005, 01:53 PM, said:
My thought is that this auction is almost sure to get competitive, and in fact that is what happened at the table. Your partner is going to expect some quick tricks from you if you end up on defense, and the fact is that you have none. And if you catch partner with a very good hand, you could end up in a bad slam or even 5♥ down one~
I would vote for 2 ♥, the choice of no one so far, as the best lie, with pass second choice.
Strongly prefer 1h over 2h. Easy choice for me. I could have a worse hand for 1h than this.
With 1H partner will expect outside K.
With 2H parner will not expect outside K
My experience with this style has been fun and winning. Enjoy!
#15
Posted 2005-October-21, 13:46
Hannie, on Oct 21 2005, 01:36 PM, said:
agree
you do have playing strength and too much outside for a template pre-empt.
speak now, of forever hold your peace.
may I count losers now? lol
#16
Posted 2005-October-21, 13:58
#17
Posted 2005-October-21, 17:01
tysen2k, on Oct 21 2005, 07:06 PM, said:
Actually we don't, although I can see the merits of such an idea. We have "gaps" in our preempting structure. I.e. we can be too good to preempt and not good enough to open. However, that is in part because we have a very aggressive preempting style. There are always tradeoffs...
#18
Posted 2005-October-21, 18:09
So pass is not that siily as it looks like
#19
Posted 2005-October-21, 19:44
Echognome, on Oct 21 2005, 10:59 AM, said:
Absolutely. Each choice of system has its built in flaws so it seems reasonable to utilize its advantages to the maximum. If my top end for 1H is 15 or thereabouts, this is an easy 1H opener; however, when the top end climbs up to around 21-22, you have to adjust from the low end to have something remotely reasonable.
Good point.
Winston
#20
Posted 2005-October-21, 19:54
whereagles, on Oct 21 2005, 08:55 PM, said:
White vs Red, I think I will agree with whereagles here. 4♥ preempts are allowed to have some defence after all. Otherwise I hate opening this 1♥, but I hate 3♥ and pass even more, so I will start with 1♥.
Still I will feel bad when I have to take out partners penalty double of 2♠ to 3♥ and wish I would have opened 3♥ immediately.