[Winstonm]

Scoring: IMP

2/1

1♠1N
2♥?

Now what?

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[Trpltrbl]

I don't like my options to much, but I will bid 3♦, I do have 2 aces and 6 card suit.
Maybe pd will make me happy and rebid 3♥.
But I have too much for simple 2♠

GBB

[pbleighton]

3D for me is weak, and I would rather play in 2H.

My choices are Pass and 2NT. Red at IMPs, I bid 2NT.

Peter

[bearmum]

Winstonm, on Oct 16 2005, 02:36 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

2/1

1♠1N
2♥?

Now what?

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I will PASS 2♥ because I don't figure we have game on so prefer to play in possible 4/3 fit rather than play ♦'s at 3 level

[Blofeld]

Would 3♦ over 1♠ have been invitational?

If so, I might have preferred to bid that, but admittedly the texture of the suit inclines me not to.

[Winstonm]

Blofeld, on Oct 15 2005, 09:47 AM, said:

Would 3♦ over 1♠ have been invitational?

If so, I might have preferred to bid that, but admittedly the texture of the suit inclines me not to.

2D followed by 3D is the only way to show 11ish with good diamonds in our treatments.

[han]

Note that this hand is much easier when playing Riton 2C or Gazilli.

[mike777]

Winstonm, on Oct 15 2005, 08:36 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

2/1

1♠1N
2♥?

Now what?

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2S

Common problem in my style. Long minor and invite hand. One must choose to live with it as we have no fully satisfactory solution.

At the table this seems to be less a problem than in theory or in Bidding Magazine quizes. I have a lot of reasons why I lose team games but this has not been one.

Sound openers can chance a 2nt rebid, light openers rebid 2S .

[Winstonm]

My thinking, and not necessarily right, is that partner having shown 9 cards in the majors that it is unlikely that NT is right for us and unless partner has some extras we don't have much play for game - so I am a 2S bidder.

Next question: to make a game try over 2S, should north bid out his shape with either 3C or 3D showing 5413 either way and 2N 5422?

Winston

[mike777]

Yes.

[MickyB]

Hannie, on Oct 15 2005, 04:38 PM, said:

Note that this hand is much easier when playing Riton 2C or Gazilli.

It is even easier playing lightish 2/1s - respond 2♦ and bid 2♠ (NF) over 2♥.

[ArcLight]

2♠

You are stronger than pard expects, but unless he has a monster, game is very risky in ♠ 5-2 or ♥ 4-3

Pard is short in the minors and ♣ may be a disaster, esp. since you may be exposing pards stopper.

Sign off in 2♠. Let pard continue if he wants, maybe he's 6-5 :-)

[Chamaco]

This auction is a textbook example of why here 2NT should be used as Good-bad or Lebensohl or whatever you want to call it to discriminate a good 3D rebid vs a bad 3D signoff offer.

[mikeh]

3♥

In the old days, when no-one was afraid of 4-3 fits, this would be clear

Ok, maybe not clear.

At mps I would pass but at imps I need to try for game.

I can take the ♣ tap in my hand if need be, or I can ruff a ♠ or two. 3♥ is obviously fine if he holds 5 of them, but then so is 2N.
The problem with 2N is that he may pass or bid 3N when neither is good. ♥ rates to be a playable strain so long as he has decent texture: I do have 2 honours for him.

[mikeh]

Chamaco, on Oct 15 2005, 07:01 PM, said:

This auction is a textbook example of why here 2NT should be used as Good-bad or Lebensohl or whatever you want to call it to discriminate a good 3D rebid vs a bad 3D signoff offer.

Then what do you bid with a 2=3=4=4 11 count? Count me out for an artificial meaning in this sequence

[Chamaco]

With invitational hands with doubleton support you can preference to the 3 level.

I prefer this occasional 5-2 fit rather than not being able to discriminate my minors one-suiters.

Another option of keeping 2NT as Good-bad is taking out of the 1NT forcing the invitational balanced hand.

This can be done without much trouble if using:

a1. 2-way 1M:2C = either clubs GF or balanced invitational; OR else
a2. using Gitelman (or Lawrence) 2/1 style, use 1M:2NT as natural INVITATIONAL rather than natural GF bal.

b. regardless of using a1 or a2, inserting the GF balanced hands in 1NT forcing.

This way you can use 2NT as "Lebensohl" in the 1NT forcing sequences.

[luke warm]

whew.. i think, since it's imps, i'd bid 3D... MPs i'd bid 2S

[P_Marlowe]

2NT, showing a bal. 10-12 count.

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

Winstonm, on Oct 15 2005, 12:06 PM, said:

My thinking, and not necessarily right, is that partner having shown 9 cards in the majors that it is unlikely that NT is right for us and unless partner has some extras we don't have much play for game - so I am a 2S bidder.

Next question: to make a game try over 2S, should north bid out his shape with either 3C or 3D showing 5413 either way and 2N 5422?

Winston

Hi,

the main problem with 2S is, that
opener may think you hold 4-7HCP
with 3 card support, ... depends which options
are included in your 1NT.

Now I am the first to look for plus scores,
even playing TEAM, but you are red, playing
IMP's and underbidding will miss to often
a game, even for my taste.

Either show your strength or show your 6 card
suit, but hiding either feature, is no real option.

With kind regards
Marlowe