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Sacrifice & Anti-sacrifice

Poll: What would you do here? Why? (23 member(s) have cast votes)

What would you do here? Why?

  1. 2H, simple raise (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 2S, 3 cards forcing raise (2 votes [8.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.70%

  3. 2NT, 4 cards limited raise or better (3 votes [13.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.04%

  4. 3C, fitting jump H4C5 (15 votes [65.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 65.22%

  5. 3D, invitational raise, if available (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 3H, preemptive raise (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  7. 3S, if still a splinter (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. 3NT, if it could be an option (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. 4H (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  10. higher bids (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

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#1 User is offline   adhoc3 

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Posted 2005-October-10, 01:50

You were sitting South. Your PD dealed and opened 1♥, covered by RHO's 1♠. You had

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Scoring: IMP


A voice whispering in your ear that LHO would bid ♠ and cover your any level♥ raise. The OPPS are IMP killers.

Given 2/1 system you were playing, what is the best choice here? What is the strategy?
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Posted 2005-October-10, 01:57

Having the Fit Jump to 3C available, there is no need for further strategy.

The 3C jump delivers all the info pard needs:
- a mixed raise with 4 trumps
- values concentrated only in the 2 suits.

Using the FJS we can bid our hand in one go so the strategy is simply letting pard drive the auction, we have nothing more to say :)

Pard will know not only of the trump fit but will be able to determine the honors fit and eventual wasted values, in case further decisions are needed.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 02:08

I agree with Mauro if you have FJS on your cc. If you don't, I would bid 2♠, limit raise in hearts. Some play that as limit or better. I don't, I still use 2NT as the game forcing raise.

What to do with 11-12 and spade stopper(s)? Double first, then NT. I think it's important that partner can distinguish between limit and GF right away.

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Posted 2005-October-10, 02:36

The score board are all black, 4/5♠-1-2, except for 1 table 4♥+1. Their unique bidding went:

1♥-1♠-2♠-pass*
4♥//

The pass seems somehow strange for west had 5 cards ♠ in hand. Maybe because of observing vulnerablility and the strenght that South had shown, he did not want to encourage his pd to sacrifice.

Will that be a psychic bidding if 2♠ is a forcing raise in CC?
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Posted 2005-October-10, 05:44

5♥, lets create some action :)
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Posted 2005-October-10, 06:32

Using Mike Lawrences Methods 3♥ shows a Limit Raise (4 trumps, 10-12 support points) and is not Preemptive over an opponent Overcall. 3♥ would be preemptive over a double.

You don't have enough points for a Splinter.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 06:34

3♣ to prepare partner for high-level competition.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 08:01

Textbook 3C bid. If not with this hand then when?
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Posted 2005-October-10, 09:01

A fit-raise of 3 clubs would be nice to have available. This way you have pretty much described your hand in one bid, and this should put partner in a good position to judge what further action, if any, to take.

Otherwise, you might as well make whatever bid you have agreed on that shows a limit+ raise with 4-card support.

Curious about how people would differentiate a 3C bid from a 4C bid?

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Posted 2005-October-10, 09:11

3♣ - CLOSE to textbook. I'd rather have the Q♣ but life ain't perfect.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 09:13

Double !, on Oct 10 2005, 03:01 PM, said:

Curious about how people would differentiate a 3C bid from a 4C bid?

Playing strength/shape.

Add 1 more club or trump, and the same hand becomes worth a 4C bid.
I like to think of it in tems of losers (7-losers = 4-level FJS, 8.5-9 losers = 3 level FJS), but I know it's not so popular ;)
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Posted 2005-October-10, 09:38

If you think that the opponents are much better than you, than there is some appeal to Free's 5♥ suggestion. otherwise, I'd bid 3♣ as a fit jump.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 09:45

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Curious about how people would differentiate a 3C bid from a 4C bid?


4♣ is the same thing but Game Forcing.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 11:12

firm believer of letting partner know where your card are on the way, so he can tell if you both have the same two suits.
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Posted 2005-October-10, 11:22

Jlall, on Oct 10 2005, 02:01 PM, said:

Textbook 3C bid. If not with this hand then when?

This is NOT textbook because the clubs are broken. A textbook 3♣ would be with clubs KJTxx :rolleyes:

BUT, since 3♣ is (by far) the bid that best describes your hand, it's clear-cut to bid it. At least to me :)
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Posted 2005-October-10, 12:07

Can't imagine bidding anything but 3C.

If partner was not convinced of the use of 3C as support jump shift, I'd show them this hand.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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