Was this a terrible line?
#1
Posted 2012-May-31, 01:30
Ax
QT98x
Jxx
KQ9xx
xx
Ax
AKxx
You play 4S at imps. LHO leads teh H7 3/5th. If you duck they continue hearts. What's your plan? I took a weird line (obv) but I have yet to be convinced that I was wrong.
#2
Posted 2012-May-31, 01:48
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#3
Posted 2012-May-31, 02:02
- Run ♦10.
- Club to the jack.
- Cash ♦A to see if the other diamond honour is dropping.
- Draw two trumps and see if clubs are 3-3
- Try to ruff the club in dummy and get back to hand without suffering a promotion
After the first diamond loses, if LHO plays a diamond back immediately I may decide to vary this, depending on what I think the diamond layout is.
#5
Posted 2012-May-31, 02:06
mr1303, on 2012-May-31, 02:05, said:
depends what your objective is
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Posted 2012-May-31, 02:20
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#7
Posted 2012-May-31, 02:32
#8
Posted 2012-May-31, 02:34
I think I'm trying for 4♠+1♥+3♦+2♣ or better. Defense will likely return a ♣. Play the Ace and develop diamonds. I'm playing to pitch 2♣ on the 3rd and 4th ♦ tricks while the opponent with long trumps ruffs the 4th. I think that's the only way I can survive 1-4 trumps...
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#9
Posted 2012-May-31, 02:49
JLOGIC, on 2012-May-31, 01:30, said:
Ax
QT98x
Jxx
KQ9xx
xx
Ax
AKxx
rduran1216, on 2012-May-31, 01:48, said:
rduran1216, on 2012-May-31, 02:20, said:
Possibly because you're in the wrong hand to adopt your chosen line of leading a club to the jack?
#10
Posted 2012-May-31, 03:01
Edit: i see this is pretty much what gnasher says, always comforting. Having given this a second look, I don't really see any other lines worth considering. Will be interested to see what your "weird" line is
#11
Posted 2012-May-31, 04:15
rduran1216, on 2012-May-31, 02:20, said:
Because:
- With trumps breaking we have nine tricks, and a diamond trick would make it ten. If we were to play clubs first, we might find ourselves with four losers before we had got to our diamond trick.
- With trumps not breaking we can't afford to lose a club, so we need two diamond winners.
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mr1303 said:
My idea was that LHO might have led a singleton jack, but not a singleton king. Usually we'll want only two diamond tricks.
#12
Posted 2012-May-31, 09:30
gnasher, on 2012-May-31, 04:15, said:
- With trumps breaking we have nine tricks, and a diamond trick would make it ten. If we were to play clubs first, we might find ourselves with four losers before we had got to our diamond trick.
- With trumps not breaking we can't afford to lose a club, so we need two diamond winners.
When deciding how to play a bridge hand, instinct is rarely as reliable as analysis.
My idea was that LHO might have led a singleton jack, but not a singleton king. Usually we'll want only two diamond tricks.
It just seems like with LHO holding Hx in diamonds and as little as 3 trumps, we r putting ourselves to a diamond guess at trick two which endangers the contract unnecessarily. Something like
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#13
Posted 2012-May-31, 10:19
rduran1216, on 2012-May-31, 09:30, said:
"Endangers the contract unnecessarily" compared to which other line? Unless there is a 100% line, all lines place the contract in danger.
My line may well be inferior to some other line, but the way to show that is to (a) tell us what that other line is (after checking that it complies with the Laws) and (b) explain why it gains over my line more than it loses.
#14
Posted 2012-May-31, 10:39
Thereafter, I follow andy's suggested combination of options.
#15
Posted 2012-May-31, 10:45
If diamonds are 4-2, which is %, then we have a 50% guess as to which honors to play LHO for. If we come to hand w a trump, then lead up to the club J, we will still get a 10th trick so long as clubs are not 5-1, and the person with the club doubleton not having 3+ trumps.(clubs 3-3 will always get us the 3 club tricks we need.)
trouble is if diamonds are guessed wrong, doesn't the defense have easy trump exit cards to force declarer into some tough decisions later?
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#16
Posted 2012-May-31, 10:48
#17
Posted 2012-May-31, 10:48
gnasher, on 2012-May-31, 02:02, said:
- Run ♦10.
- Club to the jack.
- Cash ♦A to see if the other diamond honour is dropping.
- Draw two trumps and see if clubs are 3-3
- Try to ruff the club in dummy and get back to hand without suffering a promotion
After the first diamond loses, if LHO plays a diamond back immediately I may decide to vary this, depending on what I think the diamond layout is.
mr1303, on 2012-May-31, 02:05, said:
#18
Posted 2012-May-31, 10:50
edit: Actually ducking is their best play, you might go down after they duck. Maybe this is an argument for the ten.
edit 2: Well, I guess it is basically impossible to go down even if they duck.
#19
Posted 2012-May-31, 11:00
I would want to know what happened in the heart suit at T1. If it went, 7, low, J (or even Q), it appears as though LHO led from KT7x or KJ7x at T1 which is mildly aggressive against an auction that doesn't scream aggression. Accordingly, there's a strong inference LHO has one or both diamond honors since he might opt for a diamond from xx, xxx or xxxx. With dummy showing three trump (I'm assuming this), LHO might also opt for a trump lead from certain black suit holdings like ♣QTxx / ♠xx.
Re: running the diamond Q? Fred's favorite card combination for four tricks assumes adequate entries. You have entry and timing problems and you don't initially know how many diamond tricks you need. The ♦ play is sort of sexy and shows you know how to play a few card combos but I don't think its necessarily right.
An interesting line is ♣ to hand and a LOW diamond. If we buy into the idea LHO has one or both diamonds we get to judge his reaction when we lead low. At the table, I think I'd choose this.
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#20
Posted 2012-May-31, 11:03