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you wake up with :
Spades : QJx
Hearts : AKJTx
Diamonds : AKJTx
Clubs : Void
You're all set to bid 2c and start cuebidding to slam when RHO has the nerve to pipe up and say "1 spade". How do you bid now to properly convey to partner the powerhouse that you have been dealt?
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Posted 2015-May-16, 12:40
If you are playing the Michaels cuebid, you have the perfect solution. But since you asked the question you are probably not playing it, so double and await developments.
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Posted 2015-May-19, 01:37
goingoren, on 2015-May-16, 12:30, said:
you wake up with :
Spades : QJx
Hearts : AKJTx
Diamonds : AKJTx
Clubs : Void
You're all set to bid 2c and start cuebidding to slam when RHO has the nerve to pipe up and say "1 spade". How do you bid now to properly convey to partner the powerhouse that you have been dealt?
Spades : QJx
Hearts : AKJTx
Diamonds : AKJTx
Clubs : Void
You're all set to bid 2c and start cuebidding to slam when RHO has the nerve to pipe up and say "1 spade". How do you bid now to properly convey to partner the powerhouse that you have been dealt?
How many players would have the courage to pass this hand? Yet that is exactly what you must do and trust to partner to take action in the balancing seat(as a good player would) Too many players tend to forget that bridge is a partnership game DON'T FORGET YOUR PARTNER!!!!!
Doubling for take out on this hand is idiotic as you have no tolerance for clubs. A 1NT overcall promises a double stop in ♠ which you don't have. You have 19 points and RHO has opened the bidding. If partner has a 'bust' which is highly likely,you still only have 19 points. It is not yet time to get excited..(!)
Pass and hope that partner will keep the auction open.
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by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
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Posted 2015-May-19, 02:44
PhilG007, on 2015-May-19, 01:37, said:
How many players would have the courage to pass this hand? Yet that is exactly what you must do and trust to partner to take action in the balancing seat(as a good player would) Too many players tend to forget that bridge is a partnership game DON'T FORGET YOUR PARTNER!!!!!
Doubling for take out on this hand is idiotic as you have no tolerance for clubs. A 1NT overcall promises a double stop in ♠ which you don't have. You have 19 points and RHO has opened the bidding. If partner has a 'bust' which is highly likely,you still only have 19 points. It is not yet time to get excited..(!)
Pass and hope that partner will keep the auction open.
Doubling for take out on this hand is idiotic as you have no tolerance for clubs. A 1NT overcall promises a double stop in ♠ which you don't have. You have 19 points and RHO has opened the bidding. If partner has a 'bust' which is highly likely,you still only have 19 points. It is not yet time to get excited..(!)
Pass and hope that partner will keep the auction open.
LOL
Anyway, you should not be allowed to post in this specific forum because novice/beginner group may think that they may be getting advice from someone better. Unlikely but it may still happen.
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Posted 2015-May-19, 08:06
PhilG007, on 2015-May-19, 01:37, said:
How many players would have the courage to pass this hand?
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Doubling for take out on this hand is idiotic as you have no tolerance for clubs.
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Doubling for take out on this hand is idiotic as you have no tolerance for clubs.
OK, if doubling and bidding doesn't appeal to you, why on earth would you not overcall?
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Posted 2015-May-19, 09:38
Vampyr, on 2015-May-19, 08:06, said:
OK, if doubling and bidding doesn't appeal to you, why on earth would you not overcall?
Because he doesn't know what he is talking about.
For the OP: double is the normal way to begin showing a very strong hand after your opponent opens the bidding.
Also as Vampyr said, bidding 2♠ directly over 1♠ is a common agreement to show a two-suited hand, with hearts and an as yet unknown minor suit. You can communicate the strength of the hand later in the auction.
Passing is not a reasonable option.
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Posted 2015-May-19, 09:56
Two points:
First - while not the topic of this thread, I would strongly suggest not opening 2♣ on this hand. It is not so strong that one would be truly disgusted if 1♥ got passed out. Partner should strain to respond to an opening bid, and if partner passes, this hand may not produce a game. Two suited hands are notoriously difficult to deal with after a 2♣ opening, especially if the opponents get into the auction. So it is important to get your suits bid as early as possible. If the hand were stronger - say, QJx AKQTx AKQTx --- - then you would have to open 2♣ because you could not risk partner passing.
Second - A Michaels cue bid or other 2-suited convention is what I would use for this hand if available over the opponents 1♠ opening. If partner bids hearts, I will probably bid game, or strongly invite game if I have a way to do it. There is probably not going to be any space available to conduct an invitational auction, so I would just go with the odds and bid a game.
If no two-suited convention is available, then I would double and bid hearts (and diamonds later if I get the chance). The hand is far too good to trap-pass, and, quite frankly, what are you going to do if partner reopens with a double? You are not passing out 1♠x - you don't have the right hand for it. Passing puts you in a worse situation even if you get another chance, and there is no guarantee that you will.
First - while not the topic of this thread, I would strongly suggest not opening 2♣ on this hand. It is not so strong that one would be truly disgusted if 1♥ got passed out. Partner should strain to respond to an opening bid, and if partner passes, this hand may not produce a game. Two suited hands are notoriously difficult to deal with after a 2♣ opening, especially if the opponents get into the auction. So it is important to get your suits bid as early as possible. If the hand were stronger - say, QJx AKQTx AKQTx --- - then you would have to open 2♣ because you could not risk partner passing.
Second - A Michaels cue bid or other 2-suited convention is what I would use for this hand if available over the opponents 1♠ opening. If partner bids hearts, I will probably bid game, or strongly invite game if I have a way to do it. There is probably not going to be any space available to conduct an invitational auction, so I would just go with the odds and bid a game.
If no two-suited convention is available, then I would double and bid hearts (and diamonds later if I get the chance). The hand is far too good to trap-pass, and, quite frankly, what are you going to do if partner reopens with a double? You are not passing out 1♠x - you don't have the right hand for it. Passing puts you in a worse situation even if you get another chance, and there is no guarantee that you will.
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Posted 2015-May-19, 11:12
ArtK78, on 2015-May-19, 09:56, said:
Two points:
First - while not the topic of this thread, I would strongly suggest not opening 2♣ on this hand. It is not so strong that one would be truly disgusted if 1♥ got passed out.
First - while not the topic of this thread, I would strongly suggest not opening 2♣ on this hand. It is not so strong that one would be truly disgusted if 1♥ got passed out.
It's not the topic, but OP mentioned it, so your comment is relevant and helpful.
OP didn't mention system,though, and this would (I think) be a reasonable 2♣ opening if playing Benji.
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Posted 2015-May-19, 16:01
MrAce, on 2015-May-19, 02:44, said:
Anyway, you should not be allowed to post in this specific forum because novice/beginner group may think that they may be getting advice from someone better. Unlikely but it may still happen.
You're kidding, right?
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blackshoe, on 2015-May-19, 16:01, said:
You're kidding, right?
What do you think?
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Posted 2015-May-19, 22:49
MrAce, on 2015-May-19, 02:44, said:
LOL
Anyway, you should not be allowed to post in this specific forum because novice/beginner group may think that they may be getting advice from someone better. Unlikely but it may still happen.
Anyway, you should not be allowed to post in this specific forum because novice/beginner group may think that they may be getting advice from someone better. Unlikely but it may still happen.
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Posted 2015-May-19, 23:02
billw55, on 2015-May-19, 09:38, said:
Because he doesn't know what he is talking about.
For the OP: double is the normal way to begin showing a very strong hand after your opponent opens the bidding.
Also as Vampyr said, bidding 2♠ directly over 1♠ is a common agreement to show a two-suited hand, with hearts and an as yet unknown minor suit. You can communicate the strength of the hand later in the auction.
Passing is not a reasonable option.
For the OP: double is the normal way to begin showing a very strong hand after your opponent opens the bidding.
Also as Vampyr said, bidding 2♠ directly over 1♠ is a common agreement to show a two-suited hand, with hearts and an as yet unknown minor suit. You can communicate the strength of the hand later in the auction.
Passing is not a reasonable option.
So you would stick your neck out? Then the next thing you might hear is "DOUBLE" in a voice like thunder from LHO
Partner puts down a Yarborough and you can then get ready with the sackcloth and ashes(!) What seperates the expert from
the palooka is the former's highly developed sense of danger. This is no time to be a hero. The cemeteries are full
of them(!)
Right hand side of road..safe Left hand side of road..safe....Middle of road......
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Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
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Posted 2015-May-19, 23:08
ArtK78, on 2015-May-19, 09:56, said:
Two points:
First - while not the topic of this thread, I would strongly suggest not opening 2♣ on this hand. It is not so strong that one would be truly disgusted if 1♥ got passed out. Partner should strain to respond to an opening bid, and if partner passes, this hand may not produce a game. Two suited hands are notoriously difficult to deal with after a 2♣ opening, especially if the opponents get into the auction. So it is important to get your suits bid as early as possible. If the hand were stronger - say, QJx AKQTx AKQTx --- - then you would have to open 2♣ because you could not risk partner passing.
Second - A Michaels cue bid or other 2-suited convention is what I would use for this hand if available over the opponents 1♠ opening. If partner bids hearts, I will probably bid game, or strongly invite game if I have a way to do it. There is probably not going to be any space available to conduct an invitational auction, so I would just go with the odds and bid a game.
If no two-suited convention is available, then I would double and bid hearts (and diamonds later if I get the chance). The hand is far too good to trap-pass, and, quite frankly, what are you going to do if partner reopens with a double? You are not passing out 1♠x - you don't have the right hand for it. Passing puts you in a worse situation even if you get another chance, and there is no guarantee that you will.
First - while not the topic of this thread, I would strongly suggest not opening 2♣ on this hand. It is not so strong that one would be truly disgusted if 1♥ got passed out. Partner should strain to respond to an opening bid, and if partner passes, this hand may not produce a game. Two suited hands are notoriously difficult to deal with after a 2♣ opening, especially if the opponents get into the auction. So it is important to get your suits bid as early as possible. If the hand were stronger - say, QJx AKQTx AKQTx --- - then you would have to open 2♣ because you could not risk partner passing.
Second - A Michaels cue bid or other 2-suited convention is what I would use for this hand if available over the opponents 1♠ opening. If partner bids hearts, I will probably bid game, or strongly invite game if I have a way to do it. There is probably not going to be any space available to conduct an invitational auction, so I would just go with the odds and bid a game.
If no two-suited convention is available, then I would double and bid hearts (and diamonds later if I get the chance). The hand is far too good to trap-pass, and, quite frankly, what are you going to do if partner reopens with a double? You are not passing out 1♠x - you don't have the right hand for it. Passing puts you in a worse situation even if you get another chance, and there is no guarantee that you will.
Micheals is OK...if you've agreed to use this gadget...but what if you haven't(?) Personally,I don't like this device. Along with the negative double,it
must rank as one of the worst coventions ever devised
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Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
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Posted 2015-May-20, 02:36
laughable
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PhilG007, on 2015-May-19, 23:02, said:
What seperates the expert from the palooka is the former's highly developed sense of danger.
PhilG007, on 2015-May-19, 23:08, said:
Micheals is OK...if you've agreed to use this gadget...but what if you haven't(?) Personally,I don't like this device. Along with the negative double,it
must rank as one of the worst coventions ever devised
must rank as one of the worst coventions ever devised
eagles123, on 2015-May-20, 02:36, said:
laughable
gotta give him credit for entertainment value though.
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PhilG007, on 2015-May-19, 23:02, said:
So you would stickthese your neck out? Then the next thing you might hear is "DOUBLE" in a voice like thunder from LHO
Partner puts down a Yarborough and you can then get ready with the sackcloth and ashes(!)
Partner puts down a Yarborough and you can then get ready with the sackcloth and ashes(!)
I am sorry for mocking; I have made mistakes myself and besides, it is unseemly.
Most people will not have a direct penalty doule available, but yes, you could end up doubled in 2♥, down a couple. You could also find a Yarborough opposite with game good. Committing to either of these options is taking a very big position.
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MrAce, on 2015-May-19, 02:44, said:
Anyway, you should not be allowed to post in this specific forum because novice/beginner group may think that they may be getting advice from someone better. Unlikely but it may still happen.
Maybe he thought that only novices and beginners were allowed to post!
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Vampyr, on 2015-May-20, 08:16, said:
Most people will not have a direct penalty doule available
Perhaps you did not notice the "voice of thunder"?
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Masterminding (pron. m
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2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
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eagles123, on 2015-May-20, 02:36, said:
laughable
How so(?) One player's meat is another's poison. The late great Terence Reese hated 'Michaels',
calling it an 'abomination'...
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lamford, on 2015-May-20, 09:20, said:
Maybe he thought that only novices and beginners were allowed to post!
Yes true...and also pseudo experts like you,I suspect(!)
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Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
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by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster
Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog