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Deal #24 6 KQ6 KQ73 AQJ75

#1 User is offline   straube 

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Posted 2013-January-30, 17:29

You are South and dealer. V vs V. Imps. Your hand...

6 KQ6 KQ73 AQJ75

Full deal is now available in the first reply.

Imprecision spoiler...
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Moscito spoiler
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0-7 spoiler
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Second round spoilers...

IMprecision spoiler...

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Posted 2013-January-30, 17:29

You are South and dealer. V vs V. Imps. West passes. If North bids 1D, East overcalls 1H and West cue bids or raises to 3H. If North bids 1H or higher, East bids 2H and West takes it to 4H. I appreciate that there are differences in opinion here about what the interference might be and the conditions might not be fair to all systems. This is not intentional and I welcome input for how to improve the process for future deals. Please discuss how you think your auction would unfold. I would guess that many of the 0-7s would wind up in the same contract, but there might be differences based on competitive agreements, the strength of the club bid, etc.

.............T9874
.............void
.............AJ652
.............T84
KQ52.......................AJ3
J985........................AT7432
T..............................984
K632........................9
.............6
.............KQ6
.............KQ73
.............AQJ75

Outcomes

3N S jack502
4HX E Jasmine club
4HX E OCP
4HX E RobF
4HX E relknes
4HX E New Big Club
4HX E IMprecision
4HX E Precision by Free
4HX E Meckwell Light

5D S Zelandakh (1D opening)
4HX E dbl Pass2000 (artificial pass opening)
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Posted 2013-January-30, 18:23

I'm passing, 2 is possible but my values in their suit isn't encouraging.
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Posted 2013-January-30, 18:40

View Postrbforster, on 2013-January-30, 18:23, said:

I'm passing, 2 is possible but my values in their suit isn't encouraging.


I'm raising partner's minor to three
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Posted 2013-January-30, 18:45

6 KQ6 KQ73 AQJ75


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Posted 2013-January-30, 21:43

Playing Unassuming Club I probably opened an 11-18 1D (4-5 either way in the minors allowed, 1D-1M-2NT promises 4D5C while 1D-1M-3C is 5D4C or 55) despite the 4 losers because this shape is so awkward to show in a strong sequence.

Playing Malfoir, I opened 1C, and rebid 2C if it goes p-1d-1h back to me, 16-20ish, usually 6 clubs.
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Posted 2013-January-30, 23:10

I'm opening 1 (11-bad 18), intending to rebid 1N over 1M (showing (54)ms over 1 and 45 over 1). Partner may freely raise 1 to 2 (6-9), even on 3 cards for tactical reasons. If he passes, I'll bid a naturalish 1N (good 15-bad 18) over 1 (yuck). Partner should infer I have spade shortness (as I didn't double) and thus decent club tolerance (at least...).

Edit after seeing full hand:
I would expect partner to stretch a tiny bit and respond 1 (after all game has play opposite the right 10-count, so...) thus the auction will start 1-1. Now it depends on RHO. If he passes, I expect 1-1; 1N(45)-2; 2N(seminatural)-3 (give up after opener shows heart values). If he gets in with 2 I will pass, intending to penalize. I expect something like
1 (P) 1 (2)
P (3) 3 (3)
???
Hopefully I will realize that the diamond fit makes doubling (penalty, as 3 can serve as a general game try) less attractive... but I can't be sure I won't be writing down -730 after passing my partner's double should he produce one in balancing seat. So any of 3, 3X and 4 look possible to me.
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Posted 2013-January-31, 00:37

1-1-(1) (16+ ; 0-7 any or GF 4441)
2-... (5+ NF ; awaiting further instructions :) )
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Posted 2013-January-31, 01:56

View PostFree, on 2013-January-31, 00:37, said:

1-1-(1) (16+ ; 0-7 any or GF 4441)
2-... (5+ NF ; awaiting further instructions :) )


ditto except the 1 promised 18 if balanced and the 1 can have more than 8 if <2 controls, but doesn't include GF4441 hands. Also, had I wanted to, my pass would have been forcing. But I still think I bid my fairly good 5 card suit.
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Posted 2013-January-31, 02:41

I open 1. Can you give me a separate spoiler for this please straube. If partner is weak then they will either pass or (usually) bid their cheapest 4+ card suit, with 1NT showing hearts (so spades is cheapest). WJSs are also in effect, up to a max of around 7. If partner is strong (INV+) then they respond 1. I think that should be sufficient info for a useful spoiler.
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Posted 2013-January-31, 03:30

View Poststraube, on 2013-January-30, 17:29, said:

You are South and dealer. V vs V. Imps. Your hand...

6 KQ6 KQ73 AQJ75

0-7 spoiler
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Hilversumse Klaveren (HK)

Now HK will bid 2 = 5+ card

Jan
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Posted 2013-January-31, 03:50

I hold:

6 KQ6 KQ73 AQJ75

Pass 2000

P* - (P) - 1C* - (1H); (P = 0-7 / 17+, 1C = 0-7 / 17+)
2C - ?

2C is natural and 17+, but NF (so I guess about 17-21 perhaps). Dbl would be take-out. A jump would be GF with a very good suit.

Part 2

P* - (P) - 1C* - (1H);
2C - (3C*) - P - (3H);
P - (P) - Dbl - (P);
Pass

To me partner's double seems to be for penalties, but I'm a bit unsure due my holdings in hearts.. Could also be diamonds and spades, but I believe partner should hold some defensive values in order to double.
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Posted 2013-January-31, 04:45

12(2)
3nt


2= semipositive hearts or 5 spades + minor.
3nt better than min to play.
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Posted 2013-January-31, 10:00

View Poststraube, on 2013-January-30, 17:29, said:

You are South and dealer. V vs V. Imps. Your hand... 6 KQ6 KQ73 AQJ75
Please read (only) whichever spoiler pertains to you and plan how you will continue. I'll reserve the next post for more of the problem. I'd like any participants to post what they'd like South to do and I'd like everyone not to look at each other's posts. I'll be looking and I need this information for the second part of the problem. I'll let you know when it's safe to look at other posts and edit your auctions.
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Jasmine . Pass (possible but less likely is 2). I partner protects with:1, bid 1N; 1N, pass; 2m, raise.
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Posted 2013-January-31, 10:22

View Postjack502, on 2013-January-31, 04:45, said:

12(2)
3nt

2= semipositive hearts or 5 spades + minor.
3nt better than min to play.



The semi positive scheme that Jack is using is different than the one that I am used to.

In the MOSCITO auction, opener will know that responder has a semi positive with 5+ Spades and a (known) 4+ card minor.

I was really torn whether to bid 3N or raise to 3m.
I eventually settled on 3m because there seemed to be too many ways to lose 5 tricks before we could cash 9.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if a simulation proved otherwise...
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Posted 2013-January-31, 14:15

View Poststraube, on 2013-January-30, 17:29, said:

0-7 spoiler
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Jasmine would probably pass RHO's 1. In the given auction, when Partner doubles 3, I would guess to Pass, marking pass = 10, 4 = 8, 3N = 6.
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Posted 2013-January-31, 14:40

OCP


1 - 1 (1H)
2



After the follow-on auction listed...
*****
First, I go in the tank.
Partner should have doubled (3C) with 5-7. Take-out to 3 spades seems non-sensical, 3D and 4C were bids available to partner.

I am not excited about defending a doubled into game heart contract.
4D - hoping for something like xxxxx x Axxxx xx


Swapping the two pointed suits would be ok, too.

This post has been edited by FM75: 2013-January-31, 15:01

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Posted 2013-January-31, 17:49

View Poststraube, on 2013-January-30, 17:29, said:

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Do you want to suggest the competitions auction after my pass instead of the more common 2 call?
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Posted 2013-January-31, 17:55

View Postrbforster, on 2013-January-31, 17:49, said:

Do you want to suggest the competitions auction after my pass instead of the more common 2 call?


We can go two ways here. Ideally you would rebid 2C because we're trying to compare systems and not personal judgment. If you think you have a systemic reason for passing or if you'd prefer to bid your hand differently regardless, then I'd suggest that your LHO bid 2N as a limit raise for hearts...there being no cue bid available.
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Posted 2013-January-31, 19:03

View Poststraube, on 2013-January-31, 17:55, said:

We can go two ways here. Ideally you would rebid 2C because we're trying to compare systems and not personal judgment. If you think you have a systemic reason for passing or if you'd prefer to bid your hand differently regardless, then I'd suggest that your LHO bid 2N as a limit raise for hearts...there being no cue bid available.

I guess I don't have a real competitive "system" here and there's a lot of judgment in making natural calls. I sort of view this as making a 2 level overcall - I want a good call (good suit, takeout shape, or extras balanced), or I can leave the decision to partner. Either way, I assume we'll end up at the same place since I'm not confident of beating 3X at imps that I'm sitting. So it's either

1-P-1-1
p-2N-p-3
p-P-X-p
4-P-4-ap

or the same thing without the ELC and I take it out to 4 directly.
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